Mo or 2 top rated offensive linemen? - Page 2 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

perrykemp · 11-21-2012

Would the Cowboys have had a chance to draft Casey Heyward in the 2nd round?

If so, then, in complete hindsight, an OL in the 1st and Heyward in the 2nd may have worked out well.

Of course that is hindsight.

**MichaelWinicki** · 11-21-2012

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Originally Posted by Jenky

But Dallas felt like they had addressed the o-line in free agency with Livings and Bernadeau. Going into the draft, they didn't have the intention of going for another offensive linemen unless they traded down and one fell to them.

I recalled something like having 3-4 defensive players ahead of any o-linemen they were considering.

I'm sure someone has better recollection of what Dallas' draft board looked like.

Well said.

Sometimes stuff happens...

No one was counting on the Cowboys losing 14 centers in like 14 minutes or the continued bad play of Doug Free.

No matter what, the Cowboys were NOT going to draft an early offensive tackle this past April. It simply wasn't in the cards.

**MichaelWinicki** · 11-21-2012

The other thing to keep in mind that there are no rookie centers in the NFL this year who have taken the majority of their team's snaps.

Risen Star · 11-21-2012

It took years of neglect and personnel miscues to have an OL in this shape. It'll take years to fix it. We had great resources last offseason. We should have taken a few significant steps toward that goal.

It's kind of irrelevant what the Cowboys would have done if they didn't trade up for Claiborne. The question is what they should have done. And that most definitely is not what they did. Horrible value. Completely lacking any impact. Not the way you build a winning football team.

It was typical Jerry Jones. All hat, no cattle. All show, no substance.

Risen Star · 11-21-2012

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Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

The other thing to keep in mind that there are no rookie centers in the NFL this year who have taken the majority of their team's snaps.

Irrelevant. The NFL Draft is not veteran free agency. You are not drafting these players for first year impact. You have to start thinking long term. Otherwise you're just chasing your tail every year looking for the quick fix.

**MichaelWinicki** · 11-21-2012

To carry this a step further, there is only one rookie guard who's in PFF's top-10 and that's Zietler.

And where to some of the other rookie starters rank?

Dennis Kelly (Phi) 62nd out of 78 guards.
Peter Kronz (Atl) 67th
Ben Jones (Hst) 68th
Mike Brewster (Jax) 75th
Silatolu, Amini (Car) ranked as the worst guard in the NFL

GusTheo · 11-21-2012

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Originally Posted by Risen Star

Irrelevant. The NFL Draft is not veteran free agency. You are not drafting these players for first year impact. You have to start thinking long term. Otherwise you're just chasing your tail every year looking for the quick fix.

Yet you seem to be the one saying Claiborne trade has no real impact. Doesn't make sense there.

You have a lot of money tied up in Carr and Scandrick, truth is by drafting Claiborne they have him locked up at a reasonable rate for a while. You NEED 3 DBs in today's NFL, and the truth is Jenkins came off major surgery and hasn't been 100% healthy.

The Cowboys, moving forward will now have the resources to begin upgrading the oline. I'm sure Free gets cut, which will free up money for a new tackle. Tyron Smith will have a year under his belt. Salary cap going up, reworked contracts, and you have the caps space to sign a guard, and draft one who will hopefully come in and start, and all of a sudden you have a line that you can win with. It might not be the best, but it won't be th atrocity the current one is.

**MichaelWinicki** · 11-21-2012

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Originally Posted by Risen Star

Irrelevant. The NFL Draft is not veteran free agency. You are not drafting these players for first year impact. You have to start thinking long term. Otherwise you're just chasing your tail every year looking for the quick fix.

I never said they were going to provide immediate impact.

You're right you do have to think long term

And the fact was and is, this offensive line wasn't going to be fixed in one or two offseasons.

ShiningStar · 11-21-2012

i hate everything we do and i could do it better, in my head or madden

Risen Star · 11-21-2012

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Originally Posted by GusTheo

Yet you seem to be the one saying Claiborne trade has no real impact. Doesn't make sense there.

You have a lot of money tied up in Carr and Scandrick, truth is by drafting Claiborne they have him locked up at a reasonable rate for a while. You NEED 3 DBs in today's NFL, and the truth is Jenkins came off major surgery and hasn't been 100% healthy.

The Cowboys, moving forward will now have the resources to begin upgrading the oline. I'm sure Free gets cut, which will free up money for a new tackle. Tyron Smith will have a year under his belt. Salary cap going up, reworked contracts, and you have the caps space to sign a guard, and draft one who will hopefully come in and start, and all of a sudden you have a line that you can win with. It might not be the best, but it won't be th atrocity the current one is.

I'm not saying Claiborne has no impact this year as a rookie. I'm saying Morris Claiborne will never be an impact player in the NFL. He can make a lot of plays with the right players in front of him and make you think he's an impact player but the truth is he will never make the players around him better and that's what a true impact player does.

The same is said for Brandon Carr. One of the most over paid players in professional sports.

jterrell · 11-21-2012

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Originally Posted by Zordon

we would have taken zeitler.

i would have slided down and taken him or decastro then got a corner in the 2nd or continue to build the trenches with the 2nd and extra pick. then again, i am a lot higher on jenkins then most on here. i do not believe mo was the right pick. this team is suffering right now b/c of the oline.

no, we wouldn't have.

this team had brockers set to go had we stayed where we were.

at 45 they were going to take bobby wagner ANOTHER ILB.
people laughed when that was brought up but truth is he has been outstanding for the seahags.

the top OT was kalil but he went even before our trade up.
the NEXT OT was Riley Reiff at pick 23.
And he doesnt even start. On a team beleaguered in every way.

Risen Star · 11-21-2012

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Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

I never said they were going to provide immediate impact.

You're right you do have to think long term

And the fact was and is, this offensive line wasn't going to be fixed in one or two offseasons.

That's right. We should have started the process last offseason. I simply can't wrap my head around any of you guys who watch this team so religiously disagreeing that we needed a different plan last spring.

Is this CB fetish so intense that you don't mind seeing your franchise QB molested on every snap?

jterrell · 11-21-2012

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Originally Posted by Risen Star

I'm not saying Claiborne has no impact this year as a rookie. I'm saying Morris Claiborne will never be an impact player in the NFL. He can make a lot of plays with the right players in front of him and make you think he's an impact player but the truth is he will never make the players around him better and that's what a true impact player does.

The same is said for Brandon Carr. One of the most over paid players in professional sports.

you are seriously closing in on loony bin territory.

ShiningStar · 11-21-2012

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Originally Posted by Risen Star

I'm not saying Claiborne has no impact this year as a rookie. I'm saying Morris Claiborne will never be an impact player in the NFL. He can make a lot of plays with the right players in front of him and make you think he's an impact player but the truth is he will never make the players around him better and that's what a true impact player does.

The same is said for Brandon Carr. One of the most over paid players in professional sports.

do you like anything about this team?

BAZ · 11-21-2012

I didn't like the Mo pick at the time, but now think going forward that him and Carr will be one of the more solid tandems for the next four years. The real problem was picking up Livings/Bernadau, if they weren't so bad nobody would be even questioning the Mo pick now. Whomever singled them out should be beaten with a car arial.