Go Back   Dallas Cowboys Forum - CowboysZone.com > Main Forums > News Zone

Cowboys Chat: 0 user(s) online


Home  |  Fan Zone  |  News Zone  |  Draft Zone  |  Off-topic Zone  |  Forum Rules  |  Chat  |  ** Change Graphics **

Reply
 
Display Modes Thread Tools
Old 11-23-2012   #16
theebs
Believe!!!!
 
theebs's Avatar
Years Donated
2007, 2010
 
Joined:
Feb 2006
Location:
Cookies?
Posts:
20,488
Default

Better not be true.

A real head coach needs to be able to build his own staff.

This kind of stupid reasoning is what keeps good coaches away.

Parcells came because he had full control, build it his way and he did.

We won't get another good one until the same situation exists.
theebs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2012   #17
Chocolate Lab
Run-loving Dino
 
Chocolate Lab's Avatar
 
Joined:
Apr 2004
Location:
1-star thread
Posts:
32,061
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaede View Post
His attitude has changed dramatically in recent weeks. We've all seen this before from Jerry. First, it's 'no way' then it's 'well, i don't think he should be fired' then it's 'he needs to do better' and finally, 'we'd like to thank ____ for his hard work, but we've decided to go in another direction'

Keep losing and he's gone.
Ed Werder, who has been a close Jerry observer for 20 years now, also thinks there was a big change in Jerry's postgame demeanor last night.
Ivy League

Jason Garrett offense rank minus Tony Sparano: 18, 14, 7, 15, 15
Chocolate Lab is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2012   #18
PhillyCowboysFan
Senior Member
 
Joined:
Nov 2004
Posts:
812
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoofbite View Post
Would it shock anyone?

Jerry is basically the HC whos been switching OC/DCs for the last 6-7 years.
PhillyCowboysFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2012   #19
MagicMan
Senior Member
 
MagicMan's Avatar
 
Joined:
Dec 2006
Location:
InAVanByTheRiver
Posts:
594
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by proline View Post
I just don't see Jerry giving up on Garrett so soon.
If he had his choice, he would give Jason another year. but
as much as Jerry loves Garrett; Jerry loves Jerry more.....and he would throw his own mother under the bus, to "stir the pot". He is beginning to feel the heat from fans and media.....and worst of all, his ego is being bruised.
DALLAS COWBOYS
MagicMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2012   #20
tyke1doe
Senior Member
 
Joined:
Apr 2004
Location:
Southeast, Unite
Posts:
17,491
Send a message via AIM to tyke1doe
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabu1 View Post
If jones hires a new coach based on the pretenses of keeping some assistant coaches, then he might as well keep garrett. What will be the difference? And i seriously doubt that a change the culture type coach will come here with these shackles already in place. All you hear about jones is that he's willing to spend the money, and now he gets cheap with coaches? Being a fan of this franchise is sooooooo frustrating.
^ This ^

If you're not going to let a new coach pick his own staff, you might as well just keep Garrett.

Doing otherwise would just send a message that you're already undermining the new coach's authority.

We're screwed.
"Jason Garrett will have the Cowboys in the NFC Championship Game within three years." - Tyke1doe, August 19, 2011
tyke1doe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2012   #21
Picksix
A Work in Progress
 
Picksix's Avatar
 
Joined:
Apr 2008
Location:
University Place
Posts:
2,909
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tyke1doe View Post
^ This ^

If you're not going to let a new coach pick his own staff, you might as well just keep Garrett.

Doing otherwise would just send a message that you're already undermining the new coach's authority.

We're screwed.
Exactly. Which is why I've felt all this talk about firing Garrett and bringing in Payton/Holmgren/whoever was irrelevant. As long as Jerry is in charge, it won't matter who the head coach is. If he's weak, he won't succeed. If he's strong, he'll be frustrated from constantly being undermined.
There's always more to the story.
Picksix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2012   #22
Howardlittleton64
Banned
 
Howardlittleton64's Avatar
 
Joined:
Jul 2012
Posts:
664
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FiveRings View Post
This is a positive thread for me, it hints at Garrett losing his job and our assistant coaches aren't really bad. I wouldn't hate to lose Ryan but if it means pulling in Gruden I could care less
Any coaching change that doesn't result in the new head coach getting to pick his entire staff is doomed for failure. Mr. Jones should have no say in who a new head coach has on staff. It is the head coaches staff. This has been the problem since Coach Johnson left.
Howardlittleton64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2012   #23
StarWiz2
Senior Member
 
Joined:
Apr 2004
Location:
York PA
Posts:
127
Default

Here's the problem, imo. Jerry Jones is a man divided.

There's Fan Jerry. He's almost certainly reacting like most of us today; mad as heck as the inexplicable losses mount up, mad as heck when he sees Romo do a QB sneak on a first down, when he sees the game-killing, absurd penalties continue unabated every week, and mad as heck when he's confronted with mounting evidence that JG is totally in over his head. So, Fan Jerry probably rants and raves as we do, only not publicly. Well . . . at least not until he's ready.

Then there's GM/Owner Jerry. Owner Jerry is trying to be more diplomatic and patient, all the while bewildered by the regression. Owner Jerry wisely realizes that frequent head coaching changes are not a good thing. He doesn't want to make another costly mistake. Therefore, he'll be slow to admit that hiring JG was a mistake. So, Owner Jerry will be careful to say the right things to the media, all the while rehearsing a "You're Fired" Speech.

After yesterday's debacle, enquiring minds(me) want to know if there has finally been a come-to-Peter meeting between Fan Jerry and Owner Jerry. I believe there has. What are the implications of that meeting? That Owner Jerry will fire Red immediately? No. He'll wait until the season plays out. That Fan Jerry might put out some feelers to SP, or MH before the season ends? Yes, I believe he will.
StarWiz2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2012   #24
dallasdave
Senior Member
 
Joined:
Sep 2006
Posts:
1,041
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by theebs View Post
Better not be true.

A real head coach needs to be able to build his own staff.

This kind of stupid reasoning is what keeps good coaches away.

Parcells came because he had full control, build it his way and he did.

We won't get another good one until the same situation exists.
Good point-Jimmy brought his own staff in from Miami with him-and it worked out well
dallasdave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2012   #25
Risen Star
Senior Member
 
Risen Star's Avatar
 
Joined:
Jan 2006
Posts:
14,779
Default

I'm going to pretend I didn't read this. It would be another completely horrific decision from the owner. No head coach should ever have his staff dictated to him.

Hopefully Tom Ciskowski changes his mind about this.

-


We'll settle this with a good dust up.
Risen Star is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2012   #26
Risen Star
Senior Member
 
Risen Star's Avatar
 
Joined:
Jan 2006
Posts:
14,779
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dallasdave View Post
Good point-Jimmy brought his own staff in from Miami with him-and it worked out well
It worked out better than you're willing to admit.

-


We'll settle this with a good dust up.
Risen Star is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2012   #27
17yearsandcounting
Senior Member
 
17yearsandcounting's Avatar
 
Joined:
Oct 2012
Posts:
787
Default

Nope. Clear out all the losers.

Get rid of the Garretts in the front office.

Airbrush Jason out of team pictures.

No trace stays around.
17yearsandcounting is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2012   #28
Dallas
Old bulletproof tiger
 
Dallas's Avatar
Years Donated
2008
 
Joined:
Apr 2004
Posts:
11,515
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoofbite View Post
Would it shock anyone?

Jerry is basically the HC whos been switching OC/DCs for the last 6-7 years.



Oh man this crap never gets old. Spinnsters sitting at home w/ all the skuttle and know of the Dallas Cowboys.

I've got a prayer on my desk. It says, "Dear Lord, I pray that my place will never be with the cold, timid souls who do not compete yet criticize, for they never know or feel success or failure."

~ BoB Stoops
Dallas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2012   #29
dreghorn2
Senior Member
 
dreghorn2's Avatar
Years Donated
2009, 2011
 
Joined:
Apr 2004
Posts:
960
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Risen Star View Post

Hopefully Tom Ciskowski changes his mind about this.
LOL..
My signature is, and will always remain, nothing more than a special thanks to all those who host, moderate, post articles, post thoughts, or whom otherwise contribute to this forum.
dreghorn2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2012   #30
ManicDepressiveMan
Senior Member
 
ManicDepressiveMan's Avatar
 
Joined:
Aug 2004
Posts:
737
Default

Would this really surprise anybody if it were true?
ManicDepressiveMan is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:37 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
© 2004-2012 CowboysZone.com