Red and Time

[pastordug]

We haven't had much luck with hiring our/a Offensive Coordinator as our Head Coach...

Either hire another OC or another Head Coach.......

[REDVOLUTION]

Originally Posted by UncFelix28

Dude you are pointing out all of this, but you won't point out the most important fact of the matter & that is that the guy has been around since 2007 and still has players on the offensive side of the ball making pre-snap penalties, still has problems with time management & still has problems with play calling at the start of the game & not being creative when the team gets in the red zone.. You can tell me the Head Coach role is different than OC all you want but these things shouldn't be happening still on the offensive side of the ball

We do not have MANY players left over from 2007. There has been turnover. Without even thinking about there has to be 10 players on offense that are not here from 2007.

I do agree we should be better. We need better play. But we have alot of new players.

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Your own sig belies your post.

You don't think we will even get a championship in 3 more years. And I don't either with this coach. Get ready to change your screen name.

Well, my sig is more about disbelief that it is coming up on 20 years. I would like to be wrong and not make 20.


Garrett will be here a while. Sig stays!

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by REDVOLUTION

We do not have MANY players left over from 2007. There has been turnover. Without even thinking about there has to be 10 players on offense that are not here from 2007.

I do agree we should be better. We need better play. But we have alot of new players.







Well, my sig is more about disbelief that it is coming up on 20 years. I would like to be wrong and not make 20.


Garrett will be here a while. Sig stays!

Then yoursig will be here for at least three more years then, sadly.

[tupperware]

You do make compelling points. At what point do you look at the players instead of just the coaching. What, with 3 different coaches so far this team has largely remained irrelevant.

I tend to think it's a mixture. We have low IQ players who get by on "talent". We have injury prone "talented" players. At the same time, if my HC can't figure out basic clock management then it's not making me confident about his ability to fix anything else.

[Hoofbite]

Why didn't Wade get another year, or at bare minimum the end of the season, to show that he could figure out how to solve his problems?

Dallas had just won a playoff game the season prior............Wade doesn't get more time?

The reality is, you can tell by looking at a coach if he is getting the most out of his team. I don't even think Garrett is coming close. Look around the league at all the teams that have less but are miraculously better.

Indy, Tampa, Seattle, 49ers.

I mean, it's almost comical how other teams can seemingly get more out of their collection of players than Dallas can when Dallas has a number of players that would start on any of those teams.

Garrett isn't close at getting the potential out of Dallas.

It seems like some have hitched their wagons so strongly to Garrett that they willfully overlook the fact that Dallas just isn't that much better today than they were when he took over.

[Wolfpack]

Originally Posted by tupperware

You do make compelling points. At what point do you look at the players instead of just the coaching. What, with 3 different coaches so far this team has largely remained irrelevant.

I tend to think it's a mixture. We have low IQ players who get by on "talent". We have injury prone "talented" players. At the same time, if my HC can't figure out basic clock management then it's not making me confident about his ability to fix anything else.

I think you have a FO that drafts by measurbles typically. That has been a positive change under JG but Jerry is still Al Davis v2 and will draft the sexy pick every time.

[Dave_in-NC]

Originally Posted by Cowboyz88

LOL...I'm certainly not shilling for Garrett, but if "more time" means getting a few more leaders in here to take the reins from our supposed "best players" Witten (Mr. False Start), Ware (Mr. Offsides), Austin/Felix/Rat/Jenkins (the All-Glass Team), Spears (Mr. Irrelevant), then yes, he needs more time.

In case you haven't noticed, the "core" has done SQUAT for three different coaches, but let's not let that huge fact get in the way.

That said, IMO, any coach is going to need time to slowly replace the leadership/team effectiveness of those guys.

The Core played well with the one REAL coach they had. Parcells.
Jerry's bull crap ruined that. Don't let that fact get in the way.
That core also played well for one year after Parcells left. JG has been here for a few years now, not just the 2.5 people want to claim.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

Why didn't Wade get another year, or at bare minimum the end of the season, to show that he could figure out how to solve his problems?

Dallas had just won a playoff game the season prior............Wade doesn't get more time?

The reality is, you can tell by looking at a coach if he is getting the most out of his team. I don't even think Garrett is coming close. Look around the league at all the teams that have less but are miraculously better.

Indy, Tampa, Seattle, 49ers.

I mean, it's almost comical how other teams can seemingly get more out of their collection of players than Dallas can when Dallas has a number of players that would start on any of those teams.

Garrett isn't close at getting the potential out of Dallas.

[View Full Quote]It seems like some have hitched their wagons so strongly to Garrett that they willfully overlook the fact that Dallas just isn't that much better today than they were when he took over.

Wade needed to go. He had lost the team. He had lost the team long before the GB game. The problem was that Jerry had a succession plan in place from the day Wade was hired and regardless of who was available, Red was the guy. Now he is just reluctant to admit it was a mistake.

With a team like this you can't have the "nice guy" coaches. You need someone who doesn't give a dang about your contract, your status or your endorsement deals. You need a coach who will sit guys down when they are sucking.

[Dave_in-NC]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Wade needed to go. He had lost the team. He had lost the team long before the GB game. The problem was that Jerry had a succession plan in place from the day Wade was hired and regardless of who was available, Red was the guy. Now he is just reluctant to admit it was a mistake.

With a team like this you can't have the "nice guy" coaches. You need someone who doesn't give a dang about your contract, your status or your endorsement deals. You need a coach who will sit guys down when they are sucking.

I doubt that's JGs call. Socks to jocks.

[Cowboyz88]

Originally Posted by Dave_in-NC

The Core played well with the one REAL coach they had. Parcells.
Jerry's bull crap ruined that. Don't let that fact get in the way.
That core also played well for one year after Parcells left. JG has been here for a few years now, not just the 2.5 people want to claim.

How many playoff games did they win?

The core's done squat as a team.

But, I agree 1000% that the problem is Jerry.

This OL, as a whole, wouldn't start for a D-1 powerhouse.

[Wolfpack]

Originally Posted by Dave_in-NC

The Core played well with the one REAL coach they had. Parcells.
Jerry's bull crap ruined that. Don't let that fact get in the way.
That core also played well for one year after Parcells left. JG has been here for a few years now, not just the 2.5 people want to claim.

Parcells made that core. Witten and Romo would not be the players they are with out him to push them. Romo especially. Spears could have used some more Bill too.

[Dave_in-NC]

Originally Posted by Cowboyz88

How many playoff games did they win?

The core's done squat as a team.

That was avery young core at the time. Better coaching through the years would have worked wonders for them. Oh and coach Jerry staying out of the way would have helped. That's when they have always had sucess.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by Dave_in-NC

I doubt that's JGs call. Socks to jocks.

Point well taken.

[Cowboyz88]

Originally Posted by Dave_in-NC

That was avery young core at the time. Better coaching through the years would have worked wonders for them. Oh and coach Jerry staying out of the way would have helped. That's when they have always had sucess.

Again, I agree that Jerry messed it up by trying to get cute at WR (again) his special teams draft (much like his '95 backups draft), and basically going for the shiny toys over the big uglies.

We're in agreement, which is why I think it's mostly unfair to Garrett given the scrubs on OL.

That said, Garrett has dropped the ball many times (makes me crazy how slow he is to play guys over underperforming jackwagons), but honestly, I don't want to go thru the whole "get-my-system-in-place" with the next HC.

To me it just reeks of always being next year's champions.

[17yearsandcounting]

Originally Posted by Cowboyz88

Again, I agree that Jerry messed it up by trying to get cute at WR (again) his special teams draft (much like his '95 backups draft), and basically going for the shiny toys over the big uglies.

We're in agreement, which is why I think it's mostly unfair to Garrett given the scrubs on OL.

That said, Garrett has dropped the ball many times (makes me crazy how slow he is to play guys over underperforming jackwagons), but honestly, I don't want to go thru the whole "get-my-system-in-place" with the next HC.

To me it just reeks of always being next year's champions.

This whole "get my system in place" is part of the problem. Adapt the system. Quit calling Troy plays for Tony. Find out what your players are good at and adapt, dont think some ivy league crap is eventually going to work if you just persist with it long enough.