If We All Agree That Payton is a Better Coach

[rickjameschinaclub]

And anybody that equates Garrett as being even on the same plane as Payton is a true homer...

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by rickjameschinaclub

And anybody that equates Garrett as being even on the same plane as Payton is a true homer...

...yep.

[birdwells1]

Originally Posted by wileedog

I don't think Payton comes here and accepts Garret's current 2nd in command role though. He can stay in NO and be The Man, and the Saints will be happy to pay him well to do so.

Obviously this makes it far less likely that anything happens, but what will definitely NOT happen is Payton comes here just to be a better Garrett. He will have Jimmy-esque clauses in his contract keeping Jerry from interfering if he does decide to make the jump.

Exactly, this would be the first time Jerry went after a coach with other options. The last time the Cowboys fandom was this discouraged he had to suck it up and hire Parcells.

If Garrett goes 6-10 or 7-9 it's no way he can sell this team to the fans in 2013. Lets hope Jerry's m,arketing mind moves him to make this coaching change.

Cowboys biggest problems:

1. Jerry Jones

2. oline

3. coaching

You can't change #1 but if you could change #2 & #3 then we may be able to get this organization on the right track.

Again the only reason I push for Payton is because he meets the special criteria I think it will take to be a successful coach in this organization.

[TheSport78]

Originally Posted by Rack Bauer

Wow.

Just... Wow.

I had the same reaction. Ridiculous.

[rickjameschinaclub]

And anybody that is living under the delusion that any of these coaches should sit back and coordinate while JG remains HC is being a true homer as well... JG doesn't deserve the position right now, plain and simple. It's utter disrespect to the work of somebody like Payton, who already rebuilt a perennial loser and turned them into SUper Bowl winners and contenders since he's bin there in this era of the game, in these very conditions...

Who cares about JG's feelings? There are plenty of people in the league getting fired for their body of work... It's nothing personal and it shouldn't be. I mean I'm pretty sure 99.99% on this forum have no relation to JG, but they get so sentimental about him based upon some past body of work, which is in reality more marketing than anything else.

[DallasDomination]

This is the same guy that everybody wanted gone at one point. Now everybody wants him back. Interesting how that works. I for one think it's a pipe dream he comes here either way. He has Drew Brees and a better culture in N.O.

Everyone wants a culture change by getting a new coach. Thats not gonna happen.

[CxC1993]

I'd love for Sean Payton to come back to Dallas. It's a long shot tho, because the big ego, Jerry Jones, doesn't like giving up control. But like I said, it'd be nice. Sean brought in Romo, he'd know how to get this offense going.

[Rack Bauer]

Originally Posted by DallasDomination

This is the same guy that everybody wanted gone at one point. Now everybody wants him back. Interesting how that works. I for one think it's a pipe dream he comes here either way. He has Drew Brees and a better culture in N.O.

Everyone wants a culture change by getting a new coach. Thats not gonna happen.

That is incorrect. I wanted him to take over as HC.

[rickjameschinaclub]

Originally Posted by DallasDomination

This is the same guy that everybody wanted gone at one point. Now everybody wants him back. Interesting how that works. I for one think it's a pipe dream he comes here either way. He has Drew Brees and a better culture in N.O.

Everyone wants a culture change by getting a new coach. Thats not gonna happen.

Of course they wanted them gone, though this 'everybody' was not everybody so the generalization that everybody wanted him gone is absurd.. it's the same emotionalism they have with respect to Parcells, though the game passed him by... They couldn't reconcile in their mind the reason the offense wasn't performing was because of Parcells coaching... Parcells wanted a game-management, ball control type of offense not built on a gun-slinging of the type of Romo, who BTW, was brought in by Payton... it is obviously evident from the way the Saints run their offense that his offense is perfectly suited for a QB like Romo...

[rickjameschinaclub]

BTW, this idea that JG has no control is utter garbage considering Jerry brought in Garrett's whole freaking family in this organization. People are so blinded in their pro-Garrett... Passing game coordinator and director of pro-scouting... and the Garrett father... Even if we assume Jerry was the worst, Jerry isn't calliong plays on the sidelines and drawing up the offensive game-plan.

[tupperware]

Originally Posted by perrykemp

HoF caliber QBs can make just about any NFL coach look great.

I wonder how Payton would be without Drew Brees.

He certainly hasn't done a great job on the defensive side of the ball.

He certainly has shown beyond bad judgement knowingly allowing a bounty system to operate on his team.

The guy is an egomaniac and is demonstrates, for me, a sickening amount of hubris --- as evidenced by running up the score on opponents, juicing stats for no other reason to break records, etc

In summary:

I know Sean Payton is a good coach. Despite being a good coach, I don't want him in Dallas. I personally like having someone running the team that I respect and he'll never earn my respect.

Might be easy when you can turn around and root for another winner in your second team, the Green Bay Packers. We don't have that luxury.

[TheSport78]

Originally Posted by DallasDomination

This is the same guy that everybody wanted gone at one point. Now everybody wants him back. Interesting how that works. I for one think it's a pipe dream he comes here either way. He has Drew Brees and a better culture in N.O.

Everyone wants a culture change by getting a new coach. Thats not gonna happen.

Generalize much?

lol

[pancakeman]

Responding to the OP, one thing you could say is that a coaching change disrupts a team quite a bit, so you have to figure the time and effort to put new systems in place as a cost of making the switch too.

Not saying the cost wouldn't be worth it, but it is something that should be factored into the analysis.

[Rack Bauer]

Originally Posted by pancakeman

Responding to the OP, one thing you could say is that a coaching change disrupts a team quite a bit, so you have to figure the time and effort to put new systems in place as a cost of making the switch too.

Not saying the cost wouldn't be worth it, but it is something that should be factored into the analysis.

I don't think bringing in Peyton would disrupt the team as much as normal, a lot of the guys (and the main guy - QB) has played in his system already.

[big dog cowboy]

Originally Posted by birdwells1

The thing I look at is that he hasn't signed a contract with N.O. yet, although that could just be a negotiating tactic.

His kids live in the Dallas area, in fact I think I heard that he was coaching his son's middle school football team. If that factors into his decision and if he chooses to leave N.O. then anywhere he goes to will only take him farter away from his kids.

I'm banking on those 2 things to be in play to get Payton here.

Prepare for disappointment.