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birdwells1 · 11-25-2012

They get the "Tried Hard" trophy. Give me a break.

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Originally Posted by the kid 05

you mean injuries destructed this team. A team of losers would have quit and not even attempted to come back against washington

the kid 05 · 11-25-2012

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Originally Posted by birdwells1

They get the "Tried Hard" trophy. Give me a break.

your right lets have a team that loses by 21 so we female dog and moan about how they didn't try and come back cause then EVERYTHING will be better according to you.

bbailey423 · 11-25-2012

To the OP. It's one thing to not be a 12 - 4 team. But why are we ONE of TWO teams that to this day does not have 10 points by halftime in a game. Why do we fall down 23 - 0 to the Giants at home. Why do we get down 28 - 3 to at home to a team that is TRULY rebuilding. They have ONE.....ONE player on offense...that could start on this team. Yet with a rookie QB...a rookie 6th round pick RB...they come into our house...on Thanksgiving...and jump on us 28 - 3. We get taken to OT....in our house...to a team with a Rookie QB...a Rookie RB...and a worse record than ours.

So it's one thing to KNOW you are not a 12 - 4 team. But it's the fact that we are BARELY a 7-9 team. That is what is scary!

Bluestang · 11-25-2012

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Originally Posted by SWG9

We have a handful of decent building blocks, but we're miles away from contention.

We basically need 6-7 new OL including three new starters. That in and of itself is a two year (minimum) job, and that doesn't even address any other holes on the roster. By the time this line is competely overhauled, Romo is going to be 35. I can't see the Cowboys winning a championship with a 35 year old Romo.

- Parnell and Cook can possibly be backup plans to Free, with a mid round pick on OL.

- The RG position seems to be the unknown. I'm not convinced Bernadeau is the answer but a strong FA veteran might help Free. Maybe a top draft pick but then you Free working beside a rookie again.

- You have Costa, Kowalski, and Bernadeau as possible centers. Centers are important to the run game and the plan should be very well thought out here. The dominant running teams in the league have superb center play.

- Livings is a guy that you can win with.

Realistically one spot if you keep the 3 at center, 2 if you don't for the OL.

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If Austin is released this offseason (as he should be), we'll need another starter opposite Bryant, plus another good RB to back up Murray (since Murray is injury prone)

If Austin is gone, than Beasley would be your slot guy. A mid-tier vet FA would suffice on the outside - has to be big and fast.

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Plus a starting safety. Plus a replacement for Spencer if he walks. Plus replacements for Ratliff, Spears, and Coleman. etc, etc.

S - Probably draft, Barry Church will have a job next season. The question will be if Sensabaugh will.

If Spencer walks than you'd have to address this in the draft. You will spend way too much $$ in FA for a top tier OLB. I hope he gets resigned.

Ratliff can be a pass rush specialist, and you have Brent who has stepped up nicely in his place as 2 down player.

Spears and Coleman can walk and you can find better in the draft.

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Once you start doing the math, it becomes fairly apparent that the window for this group has essentially closed.

Deal Romo for multiple assets, cut some dead weight. Aim to compete in 2014. Kickstart the rebuild and make Lee, Carter, Claiborne, Bryant, and Ty Smith the focal points.

If we double down with this group, I fear we're headed right towards a re-do of the Campo years.

It does seem overwhelming but we have the resources to do it. If you want to deal Romo than you are essentially waving the white flag.

Without a franchise QB you have nothing.

fifaguy · 11-25-2012

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Originally Posted by the kid 05

you mean injuries destructed this team. A team of losers would have quit and not even attempted to come back against washington

all team have injuries, including the redskins. yes, the Cowboys do not quit, but they have become used to losing and self destructing to the extent that it not longer affects them the way that it would for many other teams.

TheCount · 11-25-2012

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Originally Posted by fifaguy

team continues to self destruct; loser mentality has set in...

Looks like it's set in with some fans as well. "If you expected the team to have trouble and it did, you should be content."

Is that the level we're at now?

Bluestang · 11-25-2012

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Originally Posted by birdwells1

I can't recall any NFL teams that went into rebuilding mode with a franchise qb.

I can't recall a team with a franchise QB getting rid of 4 starters on the OL in 2 seasons. All 5 starters in 3.

Can you?

the kid 05 · 11-25-2012

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Originally Posted by fifaguy

all team have injuries, including the redskins. yes, the Cowboys do not quit, but they have become used to losing and self destructing to the extent that it not longer affects them the way that it would for many other teams.

what team is missing its 2 starting inside linebackers, starting runningback, starting l/r guards, and its 1b receiver?

fifaguy · 11-25-2012

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Originally Posted by TheCount

Looks like it's set in with some fans as well. "If you expected the team to have trouble and it did, you should be content."

Is that the level we're at now?

The team (and coaching staff) does not seem to have the answers for the many problems that plague them game in and game out. Losing does not seem to affect them the way that it does for the top teams. That's my point.

TheCount · 11-25-2012

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Originally Posted by the kid 05

what team is missing its 2 starting inside linebackers, starting runningback, starting l/r guards, and its 1b receiver?

Didn't we JUST lose Carter and Miles part way through the last game?

diehard2294 · 11-25-2012

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Originally Posted by Bluestang

If getting rid of 4 starters on your OL in 2 seasons doesn't mean "rebuilding" than consider yourself sucked by Jerry Jones. Even 3 guys from last season was a big red flag.

You don't see that in the NFL at all these days and I can't think of one team that has done that.

the problem is we replaced them with Jags and expected Callahan to come in and "coach" them up.

fifaguy · 11-25-2012

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Originally Posted by the kid 05

what team is missing its 2 starting inside linebackers, starting runningback, starting l/r guards, and its 1b receiver?

Life is tough in the NFL; that's why you have a 53 man roster. Even Jones isn't using injuries as an excuse for the product on the field so why should we?

the kid 05 · 11-25-2012

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Originally Posted by fifaguy

Life is tough in the NFL; that's why you have a 53 man roster. Even Jones isn't using injuries as an excuse for the product on the field so why should we?

cause anyone with 2 cents worth of knowledge in their brains know that you can't expect dirt to fill in for cement in a rain storm.

Bluestang · 11-25-2012

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Originally Posted by fifaguy

The team (and coaching staff) does not seem to have the answers for the many problems that plague them game in and game out. Losing does not seem to affect them the way that it does for the top teams. That's my point.

- Inconsistency on the OL, pre-snap penalties, wrong routes.

- Ryan's playcalling has gone really conservative when Chruch went down. He rarely has the corners play press coverage and blitzes about 24% of the time.

It's a tall order to play the scheme when the depth is poor and your bringing street FAs to start for your unit.

Primetime42 · 11-25-2012

People don't truly realize that the core of that 2007 team is long gone but for four guys and crappy drafting the next 3 years ended up depleting the talent base even further.

"Process" is not just a buzzword that the ginger likes to throw out there. It actually means something.

For God's sake, please fix that O-line, though.