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Old 11-27-2012   #1
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Default McShay top 32/Kiper big board 11/21/12....
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McShay

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft...atest-rankings

1. Jarvis Jones* OLB Georgia
2. Star Lotulelei DT Utah
3. Chance Warmack G Alabama
4. Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame
5. Damontre Moore* DE Texas A&M

6. Luke Joeckel* T Texas A&M
7. Johnathan Hankins* DT Ohio St.
8. Barkevious Mingo* DE LSU
9. Sylvester Williams DT North Carolina
10. Bjoern Werner* DE Florida St.

11. Dee Milliner* CB Alabama
12. Jonathan Cooper G North Carolina
13. Cornellius Carradine DE Florida St.
14. Dion Jordan DE Oregon
15. Johnathan Jenkins DT Georgia

16. Geno Smith QB West Virginia
17. Taylor Lewan* T Michigan
18. Sam Montgomery* DE LSU
19. Alec Ogletree* ILB Georgia
20. Kenny Vaccaro S Texas

21. Corey Lemonier* DE Auburn
22. Eric Fisher T Central Michigan
23. Ezekiel Ansah* DE BYU
24. Matt Barkley QB USC
25. Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri

26. Justin Hunter* WR Tennessee
27. Kawann Short DT Purdue
28. Keenan Allen* WR California
29. Dallas Thomas T Tennessee
30. Zach Ertz* TE Stanford
31. Johnthan Banks CB Mississippi St.
32. Tavon Austin WR West Virginia

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Kiper

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story...oard-additions

1. Jarvis Jones* OLB Georgia
2. Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame
3. Star Lotulelei DT Utah
4. Damontre Moore* DE Texas A&M
5. Luke Joeckel* T Texas A&M

6. Barkevious Mingo* DE LSU
7. Chance Warmack G Alabama
8. Taylor Lewan* T Michigan
9. Johnathan Hankins* DT Ohio St.
10. Bjoern Werner* DE Florida St.

11. Dee Milliner* CB Alabama
12. Cordarrelle Patterson* WR Tennessee
13. Jonathan Cooper G North Carolina
14. Alec Ogletree* ILB Georgia
15. Anthony Barr* OLB UCLA

16. Sam Montgomery* DE LSU
17. Kenny Vaccaro S Texas
18. Tyler Eifert* TE Notre Dame
19. Cornellius Carradine DE Florida St.
20. Sheldon Richardson* DT Missouri

21. Eric Fisher T Central Michigan
22. Johnathan Jenkins DT Georgia
23. Khaseem Greene OLB Rutgers
24. Matt Barkley QB USC
25. Geno Smith QB West Virginia

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Old 11-27-2012   #2
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17. Taylor Lewan* T Michigan
18. Sam Montgomery* DE LSU
Lets say this is our spot. What do you do? O Line or D Line.
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Old 11-27-2012   #3
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So what exactly is McShay's fascination with Slyvester Williams? Hes a nice player and everything, but #9 seems a bit ridiculous.

And the more I look at this 1st round the more I don't like it. Just not a whole lot of options in the 11-18 range that we are likely to land.
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Old 11-27-2012   #4
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Lets say this is our spot. What do you do? O Line or D Line.
Trade down to #29 and pick Dallas Thomas and get an extra 2nd round pick.

Look for one of the following to "fall" to the 2nd round:
Anthony Barr
Ezekiel Ansah
Corey Lemonier

or one of the injured players in the 2nd or later:
Tank Carradine
Brandon Jenkins
Quanterus Smith

Use the other 2nd round pick on Khalad Holmes.
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Old 11-27-2012   #5
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Trade down to #29 and pick Dallas Thomas and get an extra 2nd round pick.

Look for one of the following to "fall" to the 2nd round:
Anthony Barr
Ezekiel Ansah
Corey Lemonier

or one of the injured players in the 2nd or later:
Tank Carradine
Brandon Jenkins
Quanterus Smith

Use the other 2nd round pick on Khalad Holmes.
I like this idea. We need as many picks as we can get. That is why this years draft was so frustrating. Jerry seems to think we are one player away, and I like Claiborne, but we need help at multiple positions.
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Old 11-27-2012   #6
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Compilation
  1. Jarvis Jones
  2. Star Lotulelei
  3. Manti Te'o
  4. Damontre Moore
  5. Chance Warmack
  6. Luke Joeckel
  7. Barkevious Mingo
  8. Johnathan Hankins
  9. Bjoern Werner
  10. Dee Milliner
  11. Jonathan Cooper
  12. Taylor Lewan
  13. Tank Carradine
  14. Alec Ogletree
  15. Sam Montgomery
  16. Sylvester Williams
  17. John Jenkins
  18. Kenny Vacarro
  19. Dion Jordan
  20. Geno Smith
  21. Eric Fisher
  22. Sheldon Richardson
  23. Cordarelle Patterson
  24. Matt Barkley
  25. Corey Lemonier
  26. Anthony Barr
  27. Ezekiel Ansah
  28. Tyler Eifert
  29. Justin Hunter
  30. Kawaan Short
  31. Khaseem Greene
  32. Keenan Allen
  33. Dallas Thomas
  34. Zach Ertz
  35. Johnathan Banks
  36. Tavon Austin
Dropped from Rankings - Jake Matthews, DJ Fluker, Robert Woods, Bennie Logan
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It wouldn't have to be a first-round pick, and we will have free-agent money.
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Old 11-27-2012   #7
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I like this idea. We need as many picks as we can get. That is why this years draft was so frustrating. Jerry seems to think we are one player away, and I like Claiborne, but we need help at multiple positions.
If a trade-back would have took place last year, Osemele and Cordy Glenn could have been Cowboys and the oline would be much better. They still would have another pick after taking these two. The Mo trade is not looking too good IMO.
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If a trade-back would have took place last year, Osemele and Cordy Glenn could have been Cowboys and the oline would be much better. They still would have another pick after taking these two. The Mo trade is not looking too good IMO.

I agree with you 100%
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The QBs are dropping like bombs. I expect that will change once they work out. Not that it should change, but it will. They always get overdrafted.

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Old 11-28-2012   #10
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  1. Jarvis Jones
  2. Star Lotulelei
  3. Manti Te'o
  4. Damontre Moore
  5. Chance Warmack
  6. Luke Joeckel
  7. Barkevious Mingo
  8. Johnathan Hankins
  9. Bjoern Werner
  10. Dee Milliner
  11. Jonathan Cooper (12)
  12. Taylor Lewan (13)
  13. Tank Carradine (16)
  14. Alec Ogletree (15)
  15. Sam Montgomery (14)
  16. Sylvester Williams (20)
  17. John Jenkins (18)
  18. Kenny Vacarro (19)
  19. Dion Jordan (21)
  20. Geno Smith (11)
  21. Eric Fisher (NR)
  22. Sheldon Richardson
  23. Cordarelle Patterson (NR)
  24. Matt Barkley (17)
  25. Corey Lemonier (24)
  26. Anthony Barr (NR)
  27. Ezekiel Ansah
  28. Tyler Eifert (25)
  29. Justin Hunter (26)
  30. Kawaan Short (29)
  31. Khaseem Greene (28)
  32. Keenan Allen (23)
  33. Dallas Thomas (31)
  34. Zach Ertz (33)
  35. Johnathan Banks (34)
  36. Tavon Austin (NR)
Dropped from Rankings - Jake Matthews (30), DJ Fluker (32), Robert Woods (35), Bennie Logan (36)
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If a trade-back would have took place last year, Osemele and Cordy Glenn could have been Cowboys and the oline would be much better. They still would have another pick after taking these two. The Mo trade is not looking too good IMO.
i've said this a million times

not just osemele and glenn, we could have had decastro since he didnt go until 22

jerry likes the shiny toys
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i've said this a million times

not just osemele and glenn, we could have had decastro since he didnt go until 22

jerry likes the shiny toys
We should have stayed put and took Brockers and Konz. Both lines need help. This year take Mingo and and trade up in the 2nd and take Thomas.

OL - Smith/Livings/Konz/Thomas/Parnell
DL - Crawford/Brockers/Mingo - Lissmore/Brent/Hatcher

We would be a lot further along. But with the worst GM in the history of football, we will always end up with shiny toys vs a quality football team.
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Lets say this is our spot. What do you do? O Line or D Line.
Either
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We should have stayed put and took Brockers and Konz. Both lines need help. This year take Mingo and and trade up in the 2nd and take Thomas.

OL - Smith/Livings/Konz/Thomas/Parnell
DL - Crawford/Brockers/Mingo - Lissmore/Brent/Hatcher

We would be a lot further along. But with the worst GM in the history of football, we will always end up with shiny toys vs a quality football team.
You call Jerry Jones the worst GM in the history of football and then suggest playing the 6-5 240 pound Mingo as a DE in a 3-4?


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[color=Blue]Trade down to #29 and pick Dallas Thomas and get an extra 2nd round pick.
I'm with ya there.
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