What if Jerry said we were in rebuilding mode?

[WoodysGirl]

I don't think it matters what Jerry & Co. actually say. You kinda have to pay attention to what's going on with the roster.

While some positions have been static, there has been alot of roster turnover, and clearly not all of it good.

In today's NFL, you don't always have to blow up a team to totally rebuild, but when I look at the amount of youth and mid-level players being trotted out, it's clear they're trying to rebuild while fielding a competitive team...and not all that successfully.

For all the look at Indy folks, they replaced Manning, but they've got a pretty veteran team surrounding Andrew Luck. They didn't blow up the team. They got rid of the QB, an injury-prone running back, and let a WR go. Don't see much more major turnover than that.

[TwoDeep3]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

If Jerry had came out and said that we are in re-building mode instead of talking about SB windows how would you feel about this season and last season?


Just looking for honest answers.

I would feel he is deflecting heat off the team and his poor decision making since there are no signs this team is doing what you/he suggested.

[tantrix1969]

Originally Posted by Beast_from_East

Yea, if we are rebuilding then we need to ship out some high priced vets for draft picks.


Romo and Ware both come to mind, useless to keep them if we are in rebuild mode. They will be too old by the time the team is playoff caliber.

We need to do what Indy did, just blow the whole thing up.

[Disturbed]

The Cowboys have done a much better job over the past few years of getting rid of old under performing and "character issue" guys to improve the roster. The "youth movement" is a never ending process as guys get old and performance degrades. This is a young man's game.

So the Cowboys have been rebuilding (or whatever term you want to use) just like all teams do. Three things - (1) draft must be successful, (2) old guys must be replaced, (3) under performers must be coached up or let go. I think the Cowboys are not consistently successful in the draft, hold on too long to old guys not performing, and coaching has been below par...I won't even go into GM issue.

The Cowboys have been average for 17 years. Do the same things over and over again. Yet every year we are told they have significantly improved and will make a run. i will believe it when I see it.

[Disturbed]

Originally Posted by Zimmy Lives

Re-tooling, or re-loading!

I may be in the minority but I always felt that the o-line signings this off-season were merely an attempt to make this team competitive while in the re-tooling process. I have never thought that these guys fit in long term.

I think that the organization targeted fixing the defensive personnel first and planned on addressing the offense next. The problem is that the Cowboys probably should have addressed the d-line rather than the secondary because they still are unable to stop anyone when it matter most.

Good points. Although fixing the offensive line would help both. Dallas really needs to re-tool in the way they analyze OL players. They have been really bad at this for years.

They need to blow up the scouting, etc. in this area and start over. Signing two scrubs in FA was horrible and unless drafting in high round, we can't hit on OL.

[Seven]

There's no money in rebuilding.

There's money in hanging a SB over the fanbase. All about marketing.


Sales baby, sales.

[Dallas4ever]

Originally Posted by WoodysGirl

I don't think it matters what Jerry & Co. actually say. You kinda have to pay attention to what's going on with the roster.

While some positions have been static, there has been alot of roster turnover, and clearly not all of it good.

In today's NFL, you don't always have to blow up a team to totally rebuild, but when I look at the amount of youth and mid-level players being trotted out, it's clear they're trying to rebuild while fielding a competitive team...and not all that successfully.

For all the look at Indy folks, they replaced Manning, but they've got a pretty veteran team surrounding Andrew Luck. They didn't blow up the team. They got rid of the QB, an injury-prone running back, and let a WR go. Don't see much more major turnover than that.

Don't forget that they decided the HC wasn't cutting it and made a change there. Looking like the right move now.

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

Of course not. First, most people know not to take most of what Jerry says too seriously. And second, we all know that in today's NFL, when you have a possible HOF TE, a perennial DPOY candidate, good WRs, solid LBs, and, most of all, a top QB, you are *not* rebuilding. Especially one year removed from an 11-5, NFCE champion year.

This thread should have ended after this post.

[Numbers921]

If Jerry was actually rebuilding, he could sell rebuilding. The Cowboys aren't making the moves a rebuilding team makes. We've got a 32 year old QB and haven't moved any of the valuable pieces on the team. They just went on a FA spending spree including a $50 million player aimed to put a band aid on one of the perceived holes for a quick fix.

[Dallas4ever]

Originally Posted by superpunk

This thread should have ended after this post.

I think all the bullets/excuses are just about gone. Still a few blanks left though.

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by goshan

And anyone trying to use the theory that we were/are rebuilding as an excuse for Garrett not fielding a better team is embarrassing themselves. None of the Garrett supporters were saying this is a 'rebuilding year' at the start of the season - none of the supporters expected to go 6-10 and miss the playoffs. Although the OP and a couple of the responses haven't come out and used this as an excuse directly, it is pretty obvious why this topic was brought up.

Man up, Garrett hasn't done a good job so far. It doesn't mean you have to think he should be fired. I understand the POV of some that want to give him more time, but he has clearly under delivered so far.

I'm not excusing anyone, I just merely asked a simple question. Again because I've been labeled a "sunshine pumper" or "JG apologist" than it automatically means that I am making excuses.

I thought the OL could at least be serviceable, and I was wrong about that. So were the folks at VR that made those decisions. I still don't like the idea of paying one guy $9-10M for one position on the OL when that unit's play is only as good as the weakest player.

I said numerous times even before the offseason that this team has work to do in order to be in a position to compete every year for a title. You can search my post history, I've never, ever, ever said that this team would be SB bound this season or last. The only thing that gives me hope is the change in philosophy/direction or whatever you want to call it in the draft approach and sticking to their draft board. I enjoy that approach and I believe that's how you find good football players. Whatever the "magic" formula they are using now it appears to be a good approach - that's what I like about this current structure.

The drafts from the final year in Parcells era up to now have crippled the team. 2009 is probably the worst one in recent history of this franchise. The "quick fixes" that the VR folks have tried because they thought they were close have blown up in their faces and we are paying for it now.

[Alexander]

Originally Posted by WoodysGirl

For all the look at Indy folks, they replaced Manning, but they've got a pretty veteran team surrounding Andrew Luck. They didn't blow up the team. They got rid of the QB, an injury-prone running back, and let a WR go. Don't see much more major turnover than that.

They got rid of Jeff Saturday, Gary Brackett, Melvin Bullitt and Dallas Clark as well. All of the QBs were let go, same for the tight ends and most of the cornerbacks.

They also completely restructured the front office and even changed defensive schemes.

It was the textbook definition of blowing up the team.

If you do not see that, you really don't even know what you are looking at.

They went veteran to piece the roster back together, but it is fairly clear they started over whereever it made sense.

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by Alexander

They got rid of Jeff Saturday, Gary Brackett, Dallas Clark as well.

They also completely restructured the front office and even changed defensive schemes.

It was the textbook definition of blowing up the team.

If you do not see that, you really don't even know what you are looking at.

Jeff Saturday has struggled in GB and he was replaced by Satele a good Center from the Raiders, Brackett is still on the streets, Dallas Clark sure seems to be lighting it up in TB...

Their defense was always a bunch of fast undersized guys for a 4-3, so making a switch to a 3-4 would have been pretty easy for them.

They also traded a second round pick and an undisclosed late round pick for Vontae Davis this year.

For a team that is flat out in rebuild mode that doesn't add up.

[Lazyking]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

If Jerry had came out and said that we are in re-building mode instead of talking about SB windows how would you feel about this season and last season?


Just looking for honest answers.

He would be wrong and lying to himself. Also, when has he EVER said that.. Even during the campo years I don't remember him saying that.

You don't go out and try to solve one need (the secondary) if you're rebuilding.

[Alexander]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

Jeff Saturday has struggled in GB and he was replaced by Satele a good Center from the Raiders, Brackett is still on the streets, Dallas Clark sure seems to be lighting it up in TB...

Their defense was always a bunch of fast undersized guys for a 4-3, so making a switch to a 3-4 would have been pretty easy for them.

They also traded a second round pick and an undisclosed late round pick for Vontae Davis this year.

For a team that is flat out in rebuild mode that doesn't add up.

The idea is if they "blew it up".

They unquestionably did. Their own ownership acknowledged how difficult the change would be for the city, the fans and the team itself.

You can argue if you believe what they did was right or wrong, but they did do it.