Credit For Success

[theebs]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

Crazy thing is, it took him only four years to build that. Hard to believe it's been six years since then. And six years later we're basically stuck figuring out how to "rebuild".

The best part all the people that hate him never talk about is that we are using his draft philosophies still.

He was doing everything he could to change the organization from top to bottom. Few more years with romo and who knows what would have happened.

But hey just go look up hs recent story about Jerry, dr. Pepper and San Antonio and u will know everything you need to know about the jones family.

Bill told them California was better for the football team for camp, Jerry told bill he had deals with dr. Pepper and when people buy soda they buy chips and other food.

Money/profit over football.

Always has been, always will be. They are in it to make tons of money.

[Alexander]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

On Randy Galloway today they were talking about Jerry. One of the issues Randy brought up was Jerry being in a blue funk over the team.

They were speculating, of course, but Randy brought up a point.

Jerry wants credit, which i think we all can agree on. But what GM's really get the credit?

It is argued that Ozzie Newsome is the best GM going.

But does he truly get the the credit over Harbaugh?

So randy argues that convincing Jerry he will not receive this football guy credit he covets is the way to reclaim the team's greatness.

Randy is salivating over Payton but also brought up the point that Jerry could hire Sean and still screw the pooch.

I think we all want this team to win. Some with the current head coach and others with a regime change.

But all roads to success go through Jerry Jones. Either by figuring this out, or stepping aside for someone else.

[View Full Quote]I wish this would hurry.

In his mind's eye, Jerry Jones is resolute in what he wants in the event that if by some miracle, the Cowboys win another title under his watch.

"People would think that if we got to the Super Bowl and won and your owner is your general manager, there's more of a feeling that he got to the Super Bowl and he helped them get it like the head coach did."

That is what he is looking for.

He is the walk-around coach. He wants those accolades.

It is as clear now as it was back when he threatened to actually be the head coach before the Campo era.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

He is the only reason why we aren't sitting here with a plethora of 4 and 5 win seasons the last 10 years. Yet we have people among us who don't appreciate what he did here.

Im with you here. For those who doubt, check out the 2003 lineup to the 2006-7 lineup. Compare that to the 3 consecutive 5-11 years (2000-2) w/ Campo

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...al/lineups.htm

He took a QCarter team to 2 wins and the playoffs. The Oline and safety position was dissappointing, but J Rogders/Peterman were decent picks at the time that didnt pan out. His main problem was that the game passed him by. He valued size over speed and Sean Payton exposed that.

As far as being the type of HC that can be successful in Dalas, though, his personality was perfect. He knew how to needle players in the media to keep them honest, a master at head games. If only he had let Payton lose.

[VThokie7]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

If everybody thought about it and was honest, they would have to admit this is what they really want too. The best thing for this team would be for the current coach to be the right guy.

Even if by some miracle we make the playoffs in spite of Garrett. Who seriously has faith he can hold his own against good to great coaches in the playoffs? I'd rather just rip the bandaid off and find a real coach.

[CaptainMorgan]

Originally Posted by VThokie7

Even if by some miracle we make the playoffs in spite of Garrett. Who seriously has faith he can hold his own against good to great coaches in the playoffs? I'd rather just rip the bandaid off and find a real coach.

I think it goes much deeper than Garrett, this organization needs re-tooling from top to bottom. Unfortunately that means Good players like Romo, Witten and Ware also need to go as the time table for actually accomplishing the sort of house cleaning we need eclipses their shelf lives.

We need to do it right, starting with a coach that can bring in his own staff and some creative "Great train robbery" type wheelings and dealings to give us the ammo to build with.

[punchnjudy]

I caught that segment earlier, and agreed with Galloway's argument that Jones wouldn't get much if any credit should the Boys reach or even win a Super Bowl.

However, I'm not convinced it's all about credit for Jerry. He told Jimmy back in the day that he wanted to get involved with the "fun" parts of running a team. The financial deals weren't exciting enough for him.

At his age, the rush from drafting a player or signing a FA might be all he has left.

I would love to see Jerry go away, but he'll never step down...he'll only be lowered down.

[THUMPER]

Originally Posted by Reality

The best analogy I can come up with is the old guy/woman sitting at a slot machine for hours and hours expecting it to pay off big at any moment. As such, they stubbornly refuse to leave because they just know someone is going to come in right after they get up and win the big one.

#reality

That is a perfect analogy for Jerry Jones' approach to running the Cowboys. "I put my money in, it just HAS to pay off soon. And I know that as soon as I leave, someone else will step up, put a coin in and hit the jackpot that I made happen!"

[SWG9]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

On Randy Galloway today they were talking about Jerry. One of the issues Randy brought up was Jerry being in a blue funk over the team.

They were speculating, of course, but Randy brought up a point.

Jerry wants credit, which i think we all can agree on. But what GM's really get the credit?

It is argued that Ozzie Newsome is the best GM going.

But does he truly get the the credit over Harbaugh?

So randy argues that convincing Jerry he will not receive this football guy credit he covets is the way to reclaim the team's greatness.

Randy is salivating over Payton but also brought up the point that Jerry could hire Sean and still screw the pooch.

I think we all want this team to win. Some with the current head coach and others with a regime change.

But all roads to success go through Jerry Jones. Either by figuring this out, or stepping aside for someone else.
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I wish this would hurry.

But how many GM's crave the spotlight as much as Jerry Jones and behave the way he behaves? Most GM's wants the focus to be on the players and coaches (at least during the season), Jerry wants the focus to be on him. At. All. Times.

We've talked about celebrity QB's and celebrity coaches; Jerry Jones is a celebrity GM.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by SWG9

But how many GM's crave the spotlight as much as Jerry Jones and behave the way he behaves? Most GM's wants the focus to be on the players and coaches (at least during the season), Jerry wants the focus to be on him. At. All. Times.

We've talked about celebrity QB's and celebrity coaches; Jerry Jones is a celebrity GM.

Great point.

[Duane]

Originally Posted by Zordon

if he were to hire a GM now after 17 years of misery, it would seal his faith as the single entity that sunk this franchise for nearly two decades. my point is there is as much negative as positive to his legacy if he were to hire a GM and win a chip now that's buried himself so deep into his bunker of stubborness.

I've never thought of it that way but I think you're right.

[Yakuza Rich]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

It is argued that Ozzie Newsome is the best GM going.

But does he truly get the the credit over Harbaugh?

Absolutely.

When it comes to the Ravens, if you're not hearing about Ray Lewis or Ed Reed, the next in line is Ozzie Newsome. Sometimes you forget about John Harbaugh and his place as head coach.

The difference is you don't hear almost anything from the Ravens owner.

The other GM's want their face and name known and if they have picked good players as well.

To me, the easiest way to get credit is for Jerry to wheel and deal players like Jenkins, who serve almost no purpose to the team and stockpile draft picks.

You can have ten 6th round picks in a 3 year span and miss on every one. But, get one that is Pro Bowl caliber player and they think you're a guru.

That's what happened with Brady. His fellow Patriots draftmates were all busts, but all that mattered was the Pats got Brady, despite passing up on him for 5 rounds and Pioli and Belichick could take all of the credit for it. And that's what happened under Jimmy. We had our fair share of busts, but we had so many picks under Jimmy that we could not keep missing, even if we tried.

If Jerry is supposed to be the master business man, then convincing teams that a player like Jenkins is valuable and making trades to constantly stockpile picks should be his specialty.








YR

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich

Absolutely.

When it comes to the Ravens, if you're not hearing about Ray Lewis or Ed Reed, the next in line is Ozzie Newsome. Sometimes you forget about John Harbaugh and his place as head coach.

The difference is you don't hear almost anything from the Ravens owner.

The other GM's want their face and name known and if they have picked good players as well.

To me, the easiest way to get credit is for Jerry to wheel and deal players like Jenkins, who serve almost no purpose to the team and stockpile draft picks.

You can have ten 6th round picks in a 3 year span and miss on every one. But, get one that is Pro Bowl caliber player and they think you're a guru.

[View Full Quote]That's what happened with Brady. His fellow Patriots draftmates were all busts, but all that mattered was the Pats got Brady, despite passing up on him for 5 rounds and Pioli and Belichick could take all of the credit for it. And that's what happened under Jimmy. We had our fair share of busts, but we had so many picks under Jimmy that we could not keep missing, even if we tried.

If Jerry is supposed to be the master business man, then convincing teams that a player like Jenkins is valuable and making trades to constantly stockpile picks should be his specialty.








YR

It is amazing how many people do not realize that Jimmy missed on about 2/3 of his picks; but we had so many at that time it did not matter.

They also forget he was not going to pick Emmitt until he fell into our lap when the LB he wanted was taken earlier.
And that he thought walsh would be a better QB then Troy.

[Yakuza Rich]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

It is amazing how many people do not realize that Jimmy missed on about 2/3 of his picks; but we had so many at that time it did not matter.

They also forget he was not going to pick Emmitt until he fell into our lap when the LB he wanted was taken earlier.
And that he thought walsh would be a better QB then Troy.

Every team will miss on plenty of picks. I think most fans don't realize if you can get 3 legitimate, quality starters out of a draft, you've had a great draft year. That's why I look at our past 2 drafts with Tyron, Carter, DeMarco and Mo and I'm pretty happy with the success we've had. And that doesn't count getting Bailey, Chris Jones, Harris, Beasley, Hanna and Crawford.

What disappoints me is that Jerry doesn't try this method. What infuriates me is that Jerry used to do this, but either doesn't want to or can't pull it off anymore.

Stockpiling picks allows for mistakes because you have more opportunity to 'be right.' I also think it motivates veterans and adds depth, two things we desperately need in Dallas.







YR

[slomoxn]

Originally Posted by rags747

Do we know for sure that TO was forced on Parcells? I have never heard Parcells say that outright. Im of the opinion that Parcells may have not been thrilled with it but I do not believe he was forced to take TO.

Parcells left because he was getting old, 16hr days were taking their toll, his brother died etc. He was past his prime unfortunately, but I have never enjoyed a press conference as much as his. An all time great for sure.

You must not have watche the Seattle playoff game then, Parcells hated TO so much he wouldn't even throw the ball, and this against a defense with cornerbacks that were packing groceries the week before. One of them was Pete Hunter OUR castoff from the year before.

[Hostile]

lmao

Now Tom Coughlin is incidental to the job being done by Jerry Reese. The spin is hilarious.