Greg Cosell on Romo and Rodgers

[ufcrules1]

Originally Posted by theebs

All the problems in this organization and who do the fans on the Internet always nitpick to death and gripe about.

Romo.

And then in the next breath they gripe about how dumb and bad our fans are at the stadium.

I want to cry a little. It's an endless cycle.

Romo is part of the problem with our offense and our fans at the stadium are some of the dumbest fans in the whole NFL. How people can deny Romo has had a bad year is beyond me.

He and Rodgers are NOTHING alike. Rodgers knows how to protect the ball. He gets sacked a lot because he knows his line sucks and so he just protects the ball and plays it safe. Then he burns the other team when he gets his opening. He is a super intelligent QB with a rocket arm. His team has zero running game and an offensive line that is bad if not worse than ours. Rodgers can also run the ball a lot better than Romo.

Romo doesn't know how to take sacks most of the time. He tries to make something happen that simply isn't there and then just makes the situation worse by fumbling the ball or throwing a pick/pick 6. Meanwhile it is always everyone else's fault but Romo. He doesn't know how to overcome and lead his team. Instead he just pouts and sulks on the sideline with his head down.

[jjktkk]

Originally Posted by Frozen700

Romo at times does not get enough credit at all.

It's easy to critique him. He is the least of our problems at this point.

He won't until he enjoys some playoff success.

[Zordon]

Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

My point wasn't to rag Romo. It was to show what a top analyst who studies film year around sees in two players. Obviously he thinks Romo is talented and says they have similar styles. He is just pointing out what Rodgers does better..protect the ball. He also critiques Rodgers also and how he has also been gun shy even within the system.

I'll say what I've always said on Romo. Great stats. Probably not many pocket passers would survive behind our line. He can make plays. BUT he does still make 10 cent brain mistakes and has cost us games. Double edged sword. I don't think we can do better at this moment and think he does get too harsh a criticism but I also think there is warranted criticism when it comes to how he has played in big games over some years and how some games have gone south fast in some years. There is an inconsistent consistency to his play that boggles at times if that makes sense.

i think some of it is brains, some of it is his physical limitations. his weak arm has cost us a few touchdowns this year.

that being said, i don't think romo is even close to our main problem.

[punchnjudy]

After listening to it, it sounded like more of a slam on Romo. Called Rodgers a far better talent and essentially just compared their tendencies to take chances.

[ufcrules1]

Originally Posted by Zordon

i think some of it is brains, some of it is his physical limitations. his weak arm has cost us a few touchdowns this year.

that being said, i don't think romo is even close to our main problem.

Our main problem? NOBODY has said he is our main problem. Jerry Jones is clearly our main problem. Here is the list in order....

1. Jerry Jones

2. Jason Garrett

3. Other scrub coaches

4. Offensive line

5. Defensive line

6. Tony Romo being a bone head.

[InmanRoshi]

Jordy Nelson - 36th Pick in the draft
Greg Jennings - 52nd Pick in the draft
Randall Cobb - 64th pick in the draft
James Jones - 78th pick in the draft
Donald Driver - Went to 3 Pro Bowls before Rodgers ever took his first snap from center for the Packers the NFL - 14th year
-- All combined 34 years experience in the Grren Bay System

Dez Bryant - 24th pick in the draft
Miles Austin - Undrafted Free Agent
Kevin Ogletree - Undrafted Free Agent
Dwayne Harris - 176th pick in the draft
Cole Beasley - Undrafted Free Agent
-- All Combined 16 years experience in the Dallas system.


Hmmm ... wonder why Rodgers is so much more efficient throwing those back shoulder fades and quick hot read slants? Must be because he's stronger. Wonder why he seems to be so much more on page with his WRs and they adjust so much better on the fly? Must be because he's just so much smarter and/or displays better leadership.

Not saying almost every franchise wouldn't love to have Aaron Rodgers or even that Tony is better than him ...... just saying there might be a reason why Matt Flynn can step in and throw for 480 yards, 6 TDs, and 136 PR in a spot start. Green Bay is a pretty sweet place to play quarterback.

[JeffInDC]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Green Bay's bread and butter are back shoulder fades, and they're the default go-to when Rodgers is facing the blitz (which they see a lot, because their OL sucks) . It gets the ball out of the QB's hands quickly and it's virtually impossible to defend when corners are left in man. Rodgers has said that if a corner ever has his back turned to him, he considers the WR open for the back shoulder fade and they make adjustments on the fly.

[View Full Quote]It takes a lot of smarts, chemistry and timing between Rodgers and his WRs to have that telekinesis. Green Bay drafts a very smart and talented WR in the 2nd or 3rd round almost every year and grooms them in the system for several years until they know it like the back of their hand. This is a pretty far cry from what Dallas does at the position, where an undrafted free agent talent and repeatedly confirmed dimwit like Kevin Ogletree seemingly can't play his way off the roster after four disappointing years, and it's supposedly asking too much to ask Dez to make correct route adjustments.

I've long wanted Dallas to abandon their model of putting all of their eggs into two "super studs" who get force fed targets, some spare nickel sub WR, and then a whole lot of nuttin' behind them. I would draft a WR in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th round of every draft, run a ton of 4 and even 5 wide sets, put more emphasis on smarts than physical specimens, spread out the defense and allow Tony to pick apart the weakest link in the defense, rather than force feeding. I don't know if Garrett will ever do that tough. It's too far outside his Norv wannabe comfort zone.

This. I have been saying for ages now that Romo would be way better running a version of Walsh WCO that the Air Coryell System. As similar as they are, the philosophy of how to get the job done couldn't be more different. Romomhas NEVER had the cannon arm needed to constantly and consistently throw the deeper routes that are required in the Air Coryell system. But, he's been great at rolling out of the pocket and hitting guys on crossing patterns and the horizontal routes. Amkes me wonder just what a real offensive genius could do for him. Gruden (and Callahan) made Rich Gannon an All-Pro. Just imagine what they could do for Tony..................

[ufcrules1]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Hmmm ... wonder why Rodgers is so much more efficient throwing those back shoulder fades and quick hot read slants? Must be because he's stronger. Wonder why he seems to be so much more on page with his WRs and they adjust so much better on the fly? Must be because he's just so much smarter and/or displays better leadership.

Not saying almost every franchise wouldn't love to have Aaron Rodgers or even that Tony is better than him ...... just saying there might be a reason why Matt Flynn can step in and throw for 480 yards, 6 TDs, and 136 PR in a spot start. Green Bay is a pretty sweet place to play quarterback.

First off, Greenbay is not QB friendly at all. Their offensive line is worse than ours and they have zero running game just like us.
Miles Austin, Dez Bryant, and Jason Witten have been solid receivers for Romo. Romo not being smart enough to take a sack when he has pressure is nobodies fault but his. Also, Flynn stepped in against a team that had zero defense when he had that great game. It's not the system in GB that makes Aaron an elite QB, it is Aaron that is responsible for that.

[Chocolate Lab]

To what IR said... We definitely need a WR this upcoming draft. Not in the first round, but not in the sixth or seventh, either. People will squawk that Jerry just wants to sell jerseys, but the truth is that Miles is becoming less dependable injury-wise and guys like Harris and Beasley are too small to play outside.

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by ufcrules1

First off, Greenbay is not QB friendly at all. Their offensive line is worse than ours and they have zero running game just like us.
Miles Austin, Dez Bryant, and Jason Witten have been solid receivers for Romo. Romo not being smart enough to take a sack when he has pressure is nobodies fault but his. Also, Flynn stepped in against a team that had zero defense when he had that great game. It's not the system in GB that makes Aaron an elite QB, it is Aaron that is responsible for that.

Not QB friendly at all? Brett Favre statistically had one of his best years of his career years in 2007, went 13-3 and played in the NFC Championship the year before Aaron Rodgers was handed the job. It's a pretty sweet QB gig, both in scheme and personnel. No one has the depth and firepower at the receiving positions that Green Bay has, and Mike McCarthy was running some of the NFL's best offense well before Aaron Rodgers ever came along.

[ufcrules1]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Not QB friendly at all? Brett Favre statistically had one of his best years of his career years in 2007, went 13-3 and played in the NFC Championship the year before Aaron Rodgers was handed the job. It's a pretty sweet QB gig, both in scheme and personnel. No one has the depth and firepower at the receiving positions that Green Bay has, and Mike McCarthy was running some of the NFL's best offense well before Aaron Rodgers ever came along.

So maybe in 2007 they had a better offensive line and running back?

Here is the thing. You are saying he has the depth and firepower at the receiver position so he can overcome a horrible offensive line and no running game. Yet Romo has plenty of targets to throw to, but has a bad oline and running game and fails. The biggest difference then must come down to coaching. If we had Mike Mccarthy here Romo would then be elite like Rodgers?

I can admit our coach sucks bad.. but Romo would be running for his life in Greenbay just like he does here. I have watched Romo and Rodgers extensively and there is simply no comparison. Rodgers has a rocket arm and throws a beautiful pass and usually right on the money or hits his guy in stride. He also absolutely HATES to throw an interception or fumble the ball and he does a tremendous job protecting the ball. In 2011 he had 4600 yards passing, 46 touchdowns, and ONLY 6 picks. And that is with a horrible offensive line and no running game. You can chalk that up to him having better receivers and a better coach, but I chalk it up to him being elite. He makes those receivers better, and he makes that coach look good.

[perrykemp]

Originally Posted by ufcrules1

I have watched Romo and Rodgers extensively and there is simply no comparison. Rodgers has a rocket arm and throws a beautiful pass and usually right on the money or hits his guy in stride. He also absolutely HATES to throw an interception or fumble the ball and he does a tremendous job protecting the ball. In 2011 he had 4600 yards passing, 46 touchdowns, and ONLY 6 picks. And that is with a horrible offensive line and no running game. You can chalk that up to him having better receivers and a better coach, but I chalk it up to him being elite. He makes those receivers better, and he makes that coach look good.

I get what you are saying, however, I find it difficult to criticize Tony Romo for not being as good of a QB as Aaron Rodgers who happens to be probably the most talented QB drafted since 1998 (14 years Peyton Manning).

The Packers have been running the same system for 7 years now under McCarthy and they have carefully and consistently drafted WRs in the 2nd or 3rd round at least every other year to play within that system. That kind of schematic consistency just hasn't existed in Dallas.

Romo is having an off year -- however, I ultimately chalk much of it up to a bunch JG not having a offensive system of any sort, a bunch of mismatched WRs, no running game, a terrible OL.

[rickjameschinaclub]

Originally Posted by ufcrules1

I can admit our coach sucks bad.. but Romo would be running for his life in Greenbay just like he does here. I have watched Romo and Rodgers extensively and there is simply no comparison. Rodgers has a rocket arm and throws a beautiful pass and usually right on the money or hits his guy in stride.

I'll tell you what... I've never seen a QB in this day throw a pass that well over the WRs back shoulder, before the CB even turns around to see the ball in the air.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by ufcrules1

So maybe in 2007 they had a better offensive line and running back?

Here is the thing. You are saying he has the depth and firepower at the receiver position so he can overcome a horrible offensive line and no running game. Yet Romo has plenty of targets to throw to, but has a bad oline and running game and fails. The biggest difference then must come down to coaching. If we had Mike Mccarthy here Romo would then be elite like Rodgers?

[View Full Quote]I can admit our coach sucks bad.. but Romo would be running for his life in Greenbay just like he does here. I have watched Romo and Rodgers extensively and there is simply no comparison. Rodgers has a rocket arm and throws a beautiful pass and usually right on the money or hits his guy in stride. He also absolutely HATES to throw an interception or fumble the ball and he does a tremendous job protecting the ball. In 2011 he had 4600 yards passing, 46 touchdowns, and ONLY 6 picks. And that is with a horrible offensive line and no running game. You can chalk that up to him having better receivers and a better coach, but I chalk it up to him being elite. He makes those receivers better, and he makes that coach look good.

any way you can run down Romo you will do. So why would anyone listen to you?

[ufcrules1]

Originally Posted by rickjameschinaclub

I'll tell you what... I've never seen a QB in this day throw a pass that well over the WRs back shoulder, before the CB even turns around to see the ball in the air.

Me either. Rodgers makes those receivers who they are. You put those guys in Dallas and they become scrubs. haha