Stephen Jones on evaluating core group

[Frozen700]

The only guy that is even close to having a great season is Dez Bryant, which is sad. Romo would to if the line was better

Everybody else has stunk(Except those hurt, Carter, Lee, church ect). Yes even you Ware.

[rickjameschinaclub]

Originally Posted by WoodysGirl

Jon Machota ‏@jonmachota
Stephen Jones: "We certainly cant afford to overlook mediocrity if a players had a mediocre season but hes being paid 2 have a great season"

Stephen Jones on Cowboys core group: "If they’re not playing to their money than you certainly have to take a look at it."

Hey Stephen... How about your boy red-genius getting paid to have a great season, but downright sucking? Do you have to look at that, although I know, he's your boy?

[187beatdown]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

That may be true but it takes more than that to be effective at what he does. It'll take more than that to be a successful GM if that's what he's planning to do someday.

Can he evaluate talent? I haven't seen evidence of it.

Can he effectively manage the cap? Not from what I've seen.

People hope Stephen is better but we haven't seen anything since he's been here that he's anything other than Jerry's son.

How do you even go about evalutating Stephen on his own? I mean I don't think he's anything special either but all of the final decisions (talent, contracts) could just be Jerry, how do we know how much influence Stephen even has?

Again, I don't think he's some sort of savior just because of things he's said during interviews and press conferences, but let's give him a fair shake.

[rickjameschinaclub]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

What about people not coaching to their money?

[Chocolate Lab]

Originally Posted by WoodysGirl

I can't speak to Garrett's respect around the league, but I think it says alot about Stephen that he's on the NFL's Competition Committee.

I don't think they just put anyone on those committees. JMO, tho.

Yep. (Though I think Jerry has been on there, too.) But Jimmy Johnson and Parcells have spoken highly of Stephen, which you can't say for Jerry.

Truth is, we have no idea how much pull Stephen has at this point. For all we know, he wants to do things differently, but he can't do that yet.

I still think he'll be better than Jerry if only because he doesn't seem to be nearly the hardcore salesman that his dad is.

[Manster54]

Originally Posted by rickjameschinaclub

Hey Stephen... How about your boy red-genius getting paid to have a great season, but downright sucking? Do you have to look at that, although I know, he's your boy?

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by WoodysGirl

I can't speak to Garrett's respect around the league, but I think it says alot about Stephen that he's on the NFL's Competition Committee.

I don't think they just put anyone on those committees. JMO, tho.

That committee has nothing to do with personnel expertise and/or team building, which is what we're talking about here. I don't want the architect of my football whose only claim to fame is being on a committee in charge of rules changes. I want him to be an actual proven success in personnel.

I know there are several proven personnel experts on that committee but Stephen isn't guilty by association. He's an owner's son with no track record of any success.

[rickjameschinaclub]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

Yep. (Though I think Jerry has been on there, too.) But Jimmy Johnson and Parcells have spoken highly of Stephen, which you can't say for Jerry.

Truth is, we have no idea how much pull Stephen has at this point. For all we know, he wants to do things differently, but he can't do that yet.

I still think he'll be better than Jerry if only because he doesn't seem to be nearly the hardcore salesman that his dad is.

I call BS on this, simply because Stephen Jones was in his mid-twenties when JJ was coaching, meaning JJs insight into how good Stephen Jones is based upon how much he or the league respects Stephen Jones, seems to just be common speak. The same really can be said of Bill Parcells, who himself never bad-mouthed Jerry during his tenure here and spoke highly of the organization, including Jerry. The reality is, Jerry has a LOT of pull around this league himself, so he can have his son be in positions because of his connections. And as Risen Star points it, that committee has little relevance to Stephen Jones in relation to building a team.

He shares that common line to success as Garrett, i.e. nepotism.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by 187beatdown

How do you even go about evalutating Stephen on his own? I mean I don't think he's anything special either but all of the final decisions (talent, contracts) could just be Jerry, how do we know how much influence Stephen even has?

Again, I don't think he's some sort of savior just because of things he's said during interviews and press conferences, but let's give him a fair shake.

That's why I said I haven't seen any evidence of it. For years it was considered the poorly kept secret that Jerry sucks but Stephen is the answer. Oh how great it will be then. You should be asking those people how they could possibly know that since anything Stephen has ever been in charge of has been as poorly managed as anything you can accuse of Jerry.

The guy has headed our cap and personnel for years. We've been a team with cap and talent issues for years. I just don't see any sound reason to get excited about a future under Stephen Jones.

[jnday]

Originally Posted by visionary

what about mediocrity at the GM level: 121-121 definition of mediocrity

what about mediocrity at the HC/OC level: .500 record is the definition of mediocrity

He said that they look at it. That doesn't mean that they were going to do a damn thing
About it.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by rickjameschinaclub

I call BS on this, simply because Stephen Jones was in his mid-twenties when JJ was coaching, meaning JJs insight into how much he respects or the league respectes Stephen Jones, just seems to be common speak. The same really can be said of Bill Parcells, who himself never bad-mouthed Jerry during his tenure here and spoke highly of the organization, including Jerry. The reality is, Jerry has a LOT of pull around this league himself, so he can have his son be in positions because of his connections. And as Risen Star points it, that committee has little relevance to Stephen Jones in relation to building a team.

He shares that common line to success as Garrett, i.e. nepotism.

I'd say you pretty much nailed it.

Especially Jimmy. How could he possibly say anything substantial about Stephen when he had no hand in what he's doing now in the personnel department when Jimmy was here? Seems like your routine compliment you throw out there to be respectful. Now ask him if he would hire Stephen to run his football team.

[Manster54]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

That's why I said I haven't seen any evidence of it. For years it was considered the poorly kept secret that Jerry sucks but Stephen is the answer. Oh how great it will be then. You should be asking those people how they could possibly know that since anything Stephen has ever been in charge of has been as poorly managed as anything you can accuse of Jerry.

The guy has headed our cap and personnel for years. We've been a team with cap and talent issues for years. I just don't see any sound reason to get excited about a future under Stephen Jones.

Nice point and counter point.

I hold out hope that Stephen will step back into the owner role and hire a GM when Jerry dies.

[Gaede]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

People hope Stephen is better but we haven't seen anything since he's been here that he's anything other than Jerry's son.

It's all we have.

[Chocolate Lab]

Originally Posted by rickjameschinaclub

I call BS on this

BS that he said it, or that he meant it?

And Stephen is 48, so he'd have been 29-30 when Jimmy left.

I didn't mean to say he was picking players, either. The way I remember it, Jimmy was just talking to his overall intelligence.

And RisenStar... Garrett doesn't have a track record either, or if he does it's a bad one. Yet you think the world of him. Seems that argument is very selective.

[rickjameschinaclub]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

BS that he said it, or that he meant it?

And Stephen is 48, so he'd have been 29-30 when Jimmy left.

I didn't mean to say he was picking players, either. The way I remember it, Jimmy was just talking to his overall intelligence.

And RisenStar... Garrett doesn't have a track record either, or if he does it's a bad one. Yet you think the world of him. Seems that argument is very selective.

That he meant it... Even 29-30, I don't remember him being part of this organization and for JJ to actually speak highly of him goes against essentially whatever he has said now, which is he was in full control over all personnel decisions while here. I'm sure he didn't even notice Stephen Jones, who was probably just walking in and out of Valley Ranch when he wasn't golphing or partying.