Those for JGarrett in 2013

[CowboysFaninDC]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

In 2005 they ranked 15th in points and 13th in yds with Bledsoe at the controls with the same coaching structure.

Maybe, just maybe the emergence of Romo had something to do with it?

don't throw facts into this debate. it doesn't bode well for their argument and their imagination.

[17yearsandcounting]

Dont you know? He is Tom Landy, Tom Coughlin and Bill Bellichik in training.

Pull up a chair and wait, the glory days are coming back.

[CowboysFaninDC]

Originally Posted by rickjameschinaclub

Ding ding ding... now do you understand? So Romo makes an average OC like Sparano head to the top, while JG, with that same QB, continually gets worse and worse. So why are we blaming Romo again and not Garrett?

maybe , just maybe a little bit. not saying a whole lot, but just a little bit it has to do with a crappy OL...not sure, but just guessing it has an impact, having missed on the OL we have drafted and not having signed anyone of importance and having spent one first orund pick on an OL in 20+ years...just maybe!!!

and I guess it kind of makes sense, because what's his name struggled in Miami with a crappy OL.....

[Hostile]

The coach is not a hot issue with his players. That's the only thing I really care about right now. Fans and media pale in comparison to the men who have to play for him.

[stasheroo]

I think the big issue I have with Garrett - and many of his supporters - is that they see what they wish to see.

And that includes Jerry and Stephen Jones.

They see what might be with Jason Garrett, not what is.

They see what could potentially be a great story.

And intelligent, Ivy league-educated former 'Glory Days' player returns to lead the new to a revitalization and becomes the next Landry to lead the organization for a decade plus.

That's what they want to happen.

It's the picture they have in their minds and what they hope ultimately occurs.

But reality does not back this up and the hard facts paint a different picture.

They show a guy who looks like he's in over his head and is hovering around .500 for his head coaching tenure.

And an offensive coordinator whose offense is getting progressively worse, not better.

And a team that, in my opinion, does not show one area where it has improved.

I think the organization has to ask themselves what is more important, the careers of Ware, Witten, and Romo, or the hopes for Jason Garrett and his coaching career?

[CowboysFaninDC]

Originally Posted by rickjameschinaclub

I remember how bad the offensive line looked with Drew Bledsoe... You remember that? So then JG is screwing up the personnel even more...

So again, why are we blaming Romo and not Garrett?

how's he screwing up the personnel? oh yeah, conveniently lets place all the blame on JG. because coaches yield a lot of power over Jerry. and I guess parcells wanted Ware since he yielded his power over Jerry to make that pick too, but then again, everyone likes to diss parcells over this one...

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by stasheroo

I think the big issue I have with Garrett - and many of his supporters - is that they see what they wish to see.

And that includes Jerry and Stephen Jones.

They see what might be with Jason Garrett, not what is.

They see what could potentially be a great story.

And intelligent, Ivy league-educated former 'Glory Days' player returns to lead the new to a revitalization and becomes the next Landry to lead the organization for a decade plus.

That's what they want to happen.

It's the picture they have in their minds and what they hope ultimately occurs.

But reality does not back this up and the hard facts paint a different picture.

They show a guy who looks like he's in over his head and is hovering around .500 for his head coaching tenure.

And an offensive coordinator whose offense is getting progressively worse, not better.

[View Full Quote]And a team that, in my opinion, does not show one area where it has improved.

I think the organization has to ask themselves what is more important, the careers of Ware, Witten, and Romo, or the hopes for Jason Garrett and his coaching career?

I'll plead somewhat guilty to this judgment, but I have reasons for what I see happening. Sorry it makes you have issues with me. I promise not to have issues with you just because you have issues with me.

[CowboysFaninDC]

Originally Posted by stasheroo

I think the big issue I have with Garrett - and many of his supporters - is that they see what they wish to see.

And that includes Jerry and Stephen Jones.

They see what might be with Jason Garrett, not what is.

They see what could potentially be a great story.

And intelligent, Ivy league-educated former 'Glory Days' player returns to lead the new to a revitalization and becomes the next Landry to lead the organization for a decade plus.

That's what they want to happen.

It's the picture they have in their minds and what they hope ultimately occurs.

But reality does not back this up and the hard facts paint a different picture.

They show a guy who looks like he's in over his head and is hovering around .500 for his head coaching tenure.

And an offensive coordinator whose offense is getting progressively worse, not better.

[View Full Quote]And a team that, in my opinion, does not show one area where it has improved.

I think the organization has to ask themselves what is more important, the careers of Ware, Witten, and Romo, or the hopes for Jason Garrett and his coaching career?

the problem with the anti-JG crowd is they think he is the only problem with this team, yet with 6 different coaches under jerry jones we have had the same result. so what's going to be different with #7?


the problem is that the anti-JG crowd thinks another coach is going to come in and turn shiet into filet mignon.

well fact is that we are not a very talented team, specially along the OL and DL, areas that have been ignored for years. no coach will be able to fix it, no matter what they do....

until and unless we realize that, next coach will come in and we might be a whole game better, and then back to the same thing and in three years everyone wants the next coach.

that's not the problem. unfortunatley the problem isn't going to go away. another coach is not going to fix this team and its time to accept that as long as jerry jones is the GM, this is as good as we get.

[stasheroo]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I'll plead somewhat guilty to this judgment, but I have reasons for what I see happening. Sorry it makes you have issues with me. I promise not to have issues with you just because you have issues with me.

You know I don't have issues with you personally.

We just disagree on this subject.

We can do that respectfully.

I would actually like to know what tangible evidence of improvement you see that keep you optimistic?

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by stasheroo

You know I don't have issues with you personally.

We just disagree on this subject.

We can do that respectfully.

Only because we don't follow the norm wherein disagreement means hatred.

By the way, when I am proven right about Jason Garrett, and I will be, I hope nothing will still change.

[DenCWBY]

Originally Posted by CowboysFaninDC

what is a new coach going to bring to the table that the other 5 didn't in the past 20 years? and as you said the problem is JJ not the coaches necessarily, so changing coaches certainly won't make us better.

this team has changed direction every few years and has lacked continuity. on top of that it has lacked team building by missing on draft picks and FA signins. We are paying a high price for that now. with draft misses in 2008 and 2009 and bad FA signins on top of that, its set the team back.

the problems with the team are obvious. the OL and the DL. no coach can fix those. we are just not talented. and I don't care if you have a ferrari body, with wide tired and fancy red color. if you put a yugo engine in it and that's exactly what we got.

[View Full Quote]and with this core of players towards the end of their careers, we can't afford to change directions again. because a new coach. new philosophy and another couple of years and then romo, ware, witten, rat are done.


one of hte things we have done better under garrett is better drafting and seems like a better draft philosophy.

and plus, working under jerry who just goes wild when he feels he needs to, hasn't been easy.

I know everyone wants peyton. right now he is the best candidate out there. but peyton is successful because he has Brees, a deep WR group, a talented TE, deep group of RBs and a top 5 OL. he has had that for 5 years now.

romo is no brees. and our WR group doesn't compare at this time and this OL is piece of crap. his experience may lead to a game or two better at most. it ain't going to make us into superbowl contenders and in year 3, having achieved mediocrity once again, everyone will be asking for the next coach.

and despite everything JG hasn't been as bad as the product on the field. it looks bad, because the OL sucks. on top of that the defense has folded. if anything I like our DC replaced, because I never liked him anyway.

Good stuff, Thanks

[stasheroo]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Only because we don't follow the norm wherein disagreement means hatred.

By the way, when I am proven right about Jason Garrett, and I will be, I hope nothing will still change.

Absolutely not.

And for the record, I hope you are!

I'd be glad to offer up a ton of these if it means that the Cowboys are winning.

[DenCWBY]

Originally Posted by CowboysFaninDC

the problem with the anti-JG crowd is they think he is the only problem with this team, yet with 6 different coaches under jerry jones we have had the same result. so what's going to be different with #7?


the problem is that the anti-JG crowd thinks another coach is going to come in and turn shiet into filet mignon.

well fact is that we are not a very talented team, specially along the OL and DL, areas that have been ignored for years. no coach will be able to fix it, no matter what they do....

until and unless we realize that, next coach will come in and we might be a whole game better, and then back to the same thing and in three years everyone wants the next coach.

that's not the problem. unfortunatley the problem isn't going to go away. another coach is not going to fix this team and its time to accept that as long as jerry jones is the GM, this is as good as we get.

I totally see your point however look a SF, new coach brought in new staff, inherited crap and totally changed the environment overnight. Harbaugh with Ravens as well. A Reid did it when he came to Phili. Chucky at TB but he inherited a great D.

[Denim Chicken]

I'll repost me concerns about Garrett from the other thread:

My problem with Garrett is, what I believe to be, a lack of pragmatism. It doesn’t matter what occupation you are in; if you cannot adapt you will be left behind. From what I have seen this season, Garrett seems to refuse to change it up. If something is not working, he seems to keep pounding the same drum regardless. I have noticed this in line-up decisions, play-calling, and his overall mentality regarding football and this team.

I feel that there are many thing that he could do (try) to help alleviate some of our deficiencies and play to our strengths, but I have yet to see a substantial adaption on these fronts.

With that said, I do believe that the team will fight for him and I have like some of his personal decisions. I think there is little chance that he is fired this year.

Garrett on why he isn't playing the first half like the second half when we seem to start coming back:

"You certainly don’t want to just give up on things when they don’t work the first time,” Garrett said. “You want to be persistent with them, particularly the running game. The residual effects of the running game are really positive; they’re positive for your offensive line, for your quarterback, for your defense."

"Game circumstance plays into it, but you have to be careful throwing the ball all the time,” he said. “You have to be able to run the football, you’ve got to be able to play north and south, let these linemen come off the football. It makes everyone’s job better.”

[cowboyfan4life2]

The thought of garrett being back next year makes me physically ill.