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[tantrix1969]

Originally Posted by 17yearsandcounting

Dont you know? He is Tom Landy, Tom Coughlin and Bill Bellichik in training.

Pull up a chair and wait, the glory days are coming back.

that's right, we will get into the playoffs with JG(it just may take 10 yrs)

[Aven8]

I keep hearing, even from the anti JG crowd, how the roster has gotten better since he became HC.

I have a hard time believing JG said lets get Carter, Wilbur, Crawford, etc. The choices he has made is Canning the old Oline, and replacing it with undrafted FA's and JAGs. Outside of Tyron what has he done? The rest of the O has been here for a while now. In fact he didn't want Hanna this past season. Demarco looks like a stud, but I don't think he will ever make it through a 16 game season.

[iceberg]

Originally Posted by DenCWBY

I have been a DC fan forever and in this site for a short period of time. Obviously the big rub in this house is the problems with our Boys. I think the majority understand that JJ is the ulitmate problem but it's like your mother in law. You can't shoot her so you have to deal with her in spite of your lovely wife.
The coach on the other hand is the hot issue that really seems to divide this house. You probably know I'm ready to move on from the JG expirement.
[View Full Quote]My questions is to those who think we should keep JG for next year or beyond. Please tell me why you think this way using logic and factual data to support your reasoning? I have tried to understand your side but I get a lot of generalities and heresy such as "I just have this feeling" or "I just think he's good for the team" or "he's better than what we had" or "he needs a chance". Before you answer, please consider he's been the DC OCoordinator going on 6 years, all teams have injuries and his W/L record to date.
Again, please provide statistical data or facts to support your thoughts or argument that indicate trends of success or improvement under his watch. Thanks

I'll take dead horse topics for $500 please.

[Chocolate Lab]

Originally Posted by Aven8

I keep hearing, even from the anti JG crowd, how the roster has gotten better since he became HC.

I have a hard time believing JG said lets get Carter, Wilbur, Crawford, etc. The choices he has made is Canning the old Oline, and replacing it with undrafted FA's and JAGs. Outside of Tyron what has he done? The rest of the O has been here for a while now. In fact he didn't want Hanna this past season. Demarco looks like a stud, but I don't think he will ever make it through a 16 game season.

No kidding.

First, if the talent is better, why can't he win with it?

And second, who thinks he seriously makes picks like Bruce Carter anyway? Jerry plainly told us that was Lacewell and old crony Butch Davis.

[mgcowboy]

Originally Posted by CowboysFaninDC

what is a new coach going to bring to the table that the other 5 didn't in the past 20 years? and as you said the problem is JJ not the coaches necessarily, so changing coaches certainly won't make us better.

this team has changed direction every few years and has lacked continuity. on top of that it has lacked team building by missing on draft picks and FA signins. We are paying a high price for that now. with draft misses in 2008 and 2009 and bad FA signins on top of that, its set the team back.

the problems with the team are obvious. the OL and the DL. no coach can fix those. we are just not talented. and I don't care if you have a ferrari body, with wide tired and fancy red color. if you put a yugo engine in it and that's exactly what we got.

[View Full Quote]and with this core of players towards the end of their careers, we can't afford to change directions again. because a new coach. new philosophy and another couple of years and then romo, ware, witten, rat are done.


one of hte things we have done better under garrett is better drafting and seems like a better draft philosophy.

and plus, working under jerry who just goes wild when he feels he needs to, hasn't been easy.

I know everyone wants peyton. right now he is the best candidate out there. but peyton is successful because he has Brees, a deep WR group, a talented TE, deep group of RBs and a top 5 OL. he has had that for 5 years now.

romo is no brees. and our WR group doesn't compare at this time and this OL is piece of crap. his experience may lead to a game or two better at most. it ain't going to make us into superbowl contenders and in year 3, having achieved mediocrity once again, everyone will be asking for the next coach.

and despite everything JG hasn't been as bad as the product on the field. it looks bad, because the OL sucks. on top of that the defense has folded. if anything I like our DC replaced, because I never liked him anyway.

Very well put response...Thank you

[cowboyskid29]

This is how I feel. If the Cowboys going 8-8 or better keep him. If they go 7-9 then Jerry should have a tough decision. If they got 6-10 or worse get his arse out of town.

[1fisher]

Originally Posted by iceberg

I'll take dead horse topics for $500 please.

[big dog cowboy]

Originally Posted by cowboyfan4life2

The thought of garrett being back next year makes me physically ill.

I've got bad news for you.

[a_minimalist]

Originally Posted by DenCWBY

I have been a DC fan forever and in this site for a short period of time. Obviously the big rub in this house is the problems with our Boys. I think the majority understand that JJ is the ulitmate problem but it's like your mother in law. You can't shoot her so you have to deal with her in spite of your lovely wife.
The coach on the other hand is the hot issue that really seems to divide this house. You probably know I'm ready to move on from the JG expirement.
[View Full Quote]My questions is to those who think we should keep JG for next year or beyond. Please tell me why you think this way using logic and factual data to support your reasoning? I have tried to understand your side but I get a lot of generalities and heresy such as "I just have this feeling" or "I just think he's good for the team" or "he's better than what we had" or "he needs a chance". Before you answer, please consider he's been the DC OCoordinator going on 6 years, all teams have injuries and his W/L record to date.
Again, please provide statistical data or facts to support your thoughts or argument that indicate trends of success or improvement under his watch. Thanks

I love how you make it seem like your side is using logic and factual data while we aren't. It's amazing how delusional some of you can be.

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

No kidding.

First, if the talent is better, why can't he win with it?

And second, who thinks he seriously makes picks like Bruce Carter anyway? Jerry plainly told us that was Lacewell and old crony Butch Davis.

Lacewell also believed in giving away your draft for a franchise QB, he tried to advise this two times when the Manning brothers were entering the draft and he got "laughed out of the room". Lacewell understood what a franchise QB meant to an organization.

Pardon me, but despite what people think of Lacewell he sure has some very sound ideas when it comes to drafting.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by Aven8

I keep hearing, even from the anti JG crowd, how the roster has gotten better since he became HC.

I have a hard time believing JG said lets get Carter, Wilbur, Crawford, etc. The choices he has made is Canning the old Oline, and replacing it with undrafted FA's and JAGs. Outside of Tyron what has he done? The rest of the O has been here for a while now. In fact he didn't want Hanna this past season. Demarco looks like a stud, but I don't think he will ever make it through a 16 game season.

Please. Of course the HC has significant direct input in draft picks. And also in what side of the ball the picks are being spent on. He's responsible for all three units, and the fact that fans who are unhappy with some losses want to make up excuses for minimizing the head coach's involvement has no bearing on what actually goes on.

And the OL problems we've had this year are so overstated. Pass protection matters more than anything else, and we're able to move the ball. We don't score enough because we kill drives with turnovers and penalties and can't run in short yardage situations to extend drives when we have to. Some of all of that is on the OL, but it's not an excuse for insufficient performance.

He's retooled almost the entire secondary, the ILB corps, special teams, the OTs (who've fallen apart on us), the OGs, bolstered backup QB and added Demarco Murray. What hasn't he done personnel-wise? He also churns the practice squad, STs coverage units, and the bottom of the roster in general. We've been active on that front the last two seasons.

For crying out loud, give the guy credit where he deserves it, and slam him where he does not. Being unhappy with the coach does not have to mean that anybody's an idiot or has made a mess of everything he's touched.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

All the hundreds of posts throughout this forum proving what you're asking for yet you're still asking for stats and facts to support Garrett?

Do you have stats and facts to prove someone new who comes in will do better with this unfinished roster?

[Aven8]

Originally Posted by Idgit

Please. Of course the HC has significant direct input in draft picks. And also in what side of the ball the picks are being spent on. He's responsible for all three units, and the fact that fans who are unhappy with some losses want to make up excuses for minimizing the head coach's involvement has no bearing on what actually goes on.

And the OL problems we've had this year are so overstated. Pass protection matters more than anything else, and we're able to move the ball. We don't score enough because we kill drives with turnovers and penalties and can't run in short yardage situations to extend drives when we have to. Some of all of that is on the OL, but it's not an excuse for insufficient performance.

[View Full Quote]He's retooled almost the entire secondary, the ILB corps, special teams, the OTs (who've fallen apart on us), the OGs, bolstered backup QB and added Demarco Murray. What hasn't he done personnel-wise? He also churns the practice squad, STs coverage units, and the bottom of the roster in general. We've been active on that front the last two seasons.

For crying out loud, give the guy credit where he deserves it, and slam him where he does not. Being unhappy with the coach does not have to mean that anybody's an idiot or has made a mess of everything he's touched.

Oh please. Quit making him out like he made all of these decisions. "He's retooled the secondary". Give me a break. Rob, Jerry, and Tom did that. I don't like him, but I can be open minded.

[DenCWBY]

Originally Posted by a_minimalist

I love how you make it seem like your side is using logic and factual data while we aren't. It's amazing how delusional some of you can be.

Honestly I'm trying to come to the middle the best I can. I'm simply asking for a concrete factual argument to keep JG. Evidently you have none so I struck a nerve. There is a lot of data on this sight provided that proves he's been ineffective to run a offense while coaching a team well enough for a playoff birth and beyond.
Delusional? At this point I would say that's the pot calling the kettle black.
Just sayin!!

[a_minimalist]

Originally Posted by DenCWBY

Honestly I'm trying to come to the middle the best I can. I'm simply asking for a concrete factual argument to keep JG. Evidently you have none so I struck a nerve. There is a lot of data on this sight provided that proves he's been ineffective to run a offense while coaching a team well enough for a playoff birth and beyond.
Delusional? At this point I would say that's the pot calling the kettle black.
Just sayin!!

Lol you didn't even come close to striking a nerve my man. The FACT is that you guys live in a bubble and dismiss FACTS that don't fit into your agenda/argument. There have been plenty of posts providing FACTS about what JG has done. The Garrett supporters are just tired of repeating themselves. Talking to you guys is similar to talking to a wall. That's why the majority of the supporters stopped posting. Your bubble is impenetrable.

I guess time will tell who is delusional and who is not. THE END