What does everyone think of Livings at LG?

[honyock]

Originally Posted by CowboyChris

what does everyone think of Livings at LG? good or bad signing?

Thumbs up on the signing, he's been solid. Unless anyone wants to replace four starters for next season, I'd be fine to see him back at LG again. There's plenty of work to do elsewhere on the line.

I really hope they've got the good sense to keep Parnell out there at RT after Smith returns at LT. We've seen what Free can do, might as well give Parnell the rest of the season to show what he's got.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by dexternjack

It is going to be hard enough to upgrade 4 positions as it is on the O-line. I think he is fine there, keep Smith at LT (unless a stud LT in the draft and move Smith to RT), let Costa hold center and the scouts focus on RG and RT.

This team still needs to work on the defensive line too., not to mention a safety.

Just saying there are too many needs to change up 4 guys on one side of the ball, Livings, Costa and Smith should stay put. If there is money left, then maybe try and upgrade center, but it is not a necessity IMO.

Let me put it this way, I want to upgrade, but don't think LG is the 1st second, or third priority.

[RS12]

When Livings is your fourth of fifth best lineman you are fine. When he is your second best you are in big trouble.

[honyock]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Let me put it this way, I want to upgrade, but don't think LG is the 1st second, or third priority.

Yep, I'd put LG as 4th priority on the line for the offseason.

[gimmesix]

Originally Posted by CowboyChris

what does everyone think of Livings at LG? good or bad signing?

About how I felt about Holland at LG ... only healthier (or at least able to play through his injuries).

To sum it up: He's a good place-holder until Dallas can get around to addressing his spot. Right now, RG, C and RT are bigger needs (and I admit to being disappointed that RT is a need because I was hopeful Free would bounce back).

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Wow. I'm literally at a loss for words over that statement.

We'll all try not to show our disappointment.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by RS12

When Livings is your fourth of fifth best lineman you are fine. When he is your second best you are in big trouble.

I would not say fine but pretty solid if that was the case. But very true if he is either your best or second best O lineman then you have a SERIOUS PROBLEM.

[BIGDen]

I'm ok with him. You can win with a guy like him, but he shouldn't be the best or second best lineman on your team. He is an adequate starter that doesn't destroy an offense. Unfortunately, the same can't be said for a few of our other starting linemen.

[BIGDen]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

I would not say fine but pretty solid if that was the case. But very true if he is either your best or second best O lineman then you have a SERIOUS PROBLEM.

Lol. I didn't read the other replies until after I posted. You apparently wrote basically the exact same thing. Didn't mean to repeat you.

[Deep_Freeze]

Originally Posted by jnday

I disagree with building the line with free agents. They are too expensive and the quality is not there unless the team overpays. This last draft was an excellent time to fix many of the problems on the line, but the team decided to trade up and burn picks which made this draft a one starter draft.

Free agents are expensive at every position, they are actually cheaper on the interior than elsewhere if you compare the prices vs. talent at other positions. Question is if there will be any available that are worth the chase, without Nicks, the Bucs run game actually improved. Contrary to thinking, you don't need all-pros there, but we need to be more solid than we are right now.

Cause of the situation, I hope for us to have another aggressive free agent period although they did let me down not going for a center last year. We just have to find a couple of people in free agency cause there is noway we can fill all our needs in the draft without reaching. Would like to see one high priced FA brought in whether its OL, safety, or whatever so we can eliminate something.

You mentioned position groups, but really there isn't a position group on this team that couldn't use improvement or youth. Alot depends on Spencer, if resigned it will open up alot of options, if not then we are stuck with taking a pass rusher high cause its just plain so hard to find them later.

[jnday]

Originally Posted by Deep_Freeze

Free agents are expensive at every position, they are actually cheaper on the interior than elsewhere if you compare the prices vs. talent at other positions. Question is if there will be any available that are worth the chase, without Nicks, the Bucs run game actually improved. Contrary to thinking, you don't need all-pros there, but we need to be more solid than we are right now.

Cause of the situation, I hope for us to have another aggressive free agent period although they did let me down not going for a center last year. We just have to find a couple of people in free agency cause there is noway we can fill all our needs in the draft without reaching. Would like to see one high priced FA brought in whether its OL, safety, or whatever so we can eliminate something.

[View Full Quote]You mentioned position groups, but really there isn't a position group on this team that couldn't use improvement or youth. Alot depends on Spencer, if resigned it will open up alot of options, if not then we are stuck with taking a pass rusher high cause its just plain so hard to find them later.

I don't have a problem with going pass rusher in the first. The key is using s second or third to start the building process. Other areas need upgrading as well, so you are correct, but the largest positional group on the team continues to be ignored when these other areas have had some decent resources spent on upgrading from time to time. This last draft was really the killer. It could have produced two oline starters without using a first round pick. These free agent gap fillers are not a solution. This approach produces average teams and these 8-8 seasons will continue if Jerry doesn't change. I don't expect him to change and we will be here every year posting about this ongoing problem.

There is nothing bad that can come from making the oline a strength on this team instead of an area that is just good enough to get by. I honestly think they have waited a couple years too late and Romo, Witten and others will be washed up before a quality line can be built from the draft or free agency.

[jamesdojr]

I wouldn't move Smith because of Parnell. Smith is the LT of our future. He's only 21. He struggled at the beginning of the season but has played alot better as of late. It kills me to say it becasue I am or was a Doug Free fan but I think I'd bench him in favor of Parnell. Parnell looks better out there at LT than Free does at RT.

I'm not impressed with any of the interior linemen. Costa impressed me for a game and a half. But he's made of tissue paper. He will always be a player that's hurt. For that reason, I don;t think he will ever amount to anything in football.

Livings and Bernadeau are terrible signings. We need an OT, 2 OGs, and a C in the draft and free agency next year... Though we COULD give Costa one last chance next year to man up and play football for more than a game. If we really pfocussed on the Oline in the offseason, and brought in a creative top notch offensive coordinator to call plays, I really believe this team could be Superbowl bound.

But I don't see Jerry or Jason's ego allowing a move like that to make the team better... It's all about them.

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Originally Posted by Idgit

I think a team could win with the OG play we're getting right now. I don't like the backup options other than Kowalski, though.

Mack started really slowly, but his play has leveled off as he's gotten back into football shape and logged some starts.

What's interesting to me is that, in only a few games, Parnell has looked roughly as good as Smith has. And that's not solely a compliment to Parnell. Smith's slumped in this sophomore year, and Parnell looks like he should be elevated to RT as soon as Smith gets back in the lineup. Or maybe we try Smith at RT and leave Parnell where he's at.

[Crown Royal]

Livings appears to be a solid pass blocker but all of our interior line is dreadful at run blocking. Too many plays on the ground.

Bernadeau was dreadful in pass blocking early on. He has sharpened up, but the strategy is to get Doug Free wide and then go wide on Mack. At least that's what it was before Mack moved inside (where I feel like he looks better for pass blocking).

All that said, Livings, Bernadeau, Cook, Dockery are just terrible in the running game from what I can tell. Even when pass blocking is good, we just can't punch holes in the running game at ALL.

[Joe Rod]

I think we should shoot for Livings being the "weak link" in the line next year. He is serviceable and there are three other O-line positions where the team has not even had that for long stretches this season.

[jnday]

Looks like we are stuck with these FA linemen. According to Archer, the team is over the cap by 20 million as it stands now. If upgrades are made, it will come from the draft.