YR's My Meaningless Thoughts On The Game...

[CATCH17]

The offense was good because players made plays outside of the system for the most part.

I'll give Garrett credit for the Miles Austin play. I'll also give him some credit for the short throw to Dez.

Garretts process of becoming a good coach is still a loooong ways away.

[Gaede]

Originally Posted by Idgit

Realistically, who do we get back here at the end of the season? On defense, Rat and eventually maybe Scandrick. We'll 'get' Poppinga integrated on defense next week. Any other help on the horizon? Some Kyle Wilbur at ILB, which could be interesting.

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At least we're playing games that matter in December, though. Hopefully we sneak one out in Cincy and keep the faith alive a bit longer.

Good post. It's really hard to be too optimistic about the season when you've lost so many guys and they aren't coming back. But it is nice to still be in the discussion of playoffs. Even if it looks very doubtful.

The two guys who could really add something, though, are Rat and Costa. But, who knows with them? Snakebit from training camp. I have a feeling we won't see much out of either of them the rest of the way.

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

The offense was good because players made plays outside of the system for the most part.

I'll give Garrett credit for the Miles Austin play. I'll also give him some credit for the short throw to Dez.

Garretts process of becoming a good coach is still a loooong ways away.

Can you explain your first comment?

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by AbeBeta

OL guys don't win every battle. Not in the NFL.

Tyron gave up a sack that looked to be Romo's fault, Smith directed his guy one way but Tony stepped right into the DE. If Romo simply stays back in the pocket or steps left, he's got great protection.

when has Romo thought he could step up in the pocket?

[AbeBeta]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

when has Romo thought he could step up in the pocket?

I know, right? That was what struck me as so odd.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by AbeBeta

I know, right? That was what struck me as so odd.

romo probably barely thinks about stepping up into the non existant pocket anymore. He has been worked so much that the idea he could have one is probably the last thing on his mind

[Bluestang]

Just to be clear I don't believe in this argument that the players started playing out of the system.

That's too convenient for the Garrett haters and once again the goal posts moved in their quest to prove that Garrett is the problem.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

Just to be clear I don't believe in this argument that the players started playing out of the system.

That's too convenient for the Garrett haters and once again the goal posts moved in their quest to prove that Garrett is the problem.

I don't buy that either, but what I do think you saw last night was Garrett's same system finally working against a very meager defense. There is no doubt that Garrett's strategy of balance works in theory, but this is the first time since opening night it has worked in practice, and I remain unconvinced that it can work against better defenses with this personnel.

The OL was very good on the power left running play because the eagles are awful. If that play goes away, what happens then? We are back to shotgun and slinging 60 times in a game.

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I don't buy that either, but what I do think you saw last night was Garrett's same system finally working against a very meager defense. There is no doubt that Garrett's strategy of balance works in theory, but this is the first time since opening night it has worked in practice, and I remain unconvinced that it can work against better defenses with this personnel.

The OL was very good on the power left running play because the eagles are awful. If that play goes away, what happens then? We are back to shotgun and slinging 60 times in a game.

I can't see any type of scheme working with this current group of OL. Find a great center and anyone better than Free and we are better than what we've had in recent years.


No doubt that they beat up on a defense that was bad but we also saw how Romo can operate in this offense when he has time to scan the field instead of looking for the checkdowns/dumpoffs right after the snap.

Romo also said in the postgame report how the effective running game changed the entire dynamics of the game. I posted in a different thread but you should see it.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

I can't see any type of scheme working with this current group of OL. Find a great OC and anyone better than Free and we are better than what we've had in recent years.


No doubt that they beat up on a defense that was bad but we also saw how Romo can operate in this offense when he has time to scan the field instead of looking for the checkdowns/dumpoffs right after the snap.

Romo also said in the postgame report how the effective running game changed the entire dynamics of the game. I posted in a different thread but you should see it.

I'd like a link for that.

And I do think we could have some more success with a short passing game attack that didn't JUST include Jason witten.

Lots of comebacks, drags, etc. We have Miles Austin and Dez Bryant, two marvels at YAC.

3 step drops aren't pretty but if you use them effectively between the 20s you can move the ball. A 3 yard pass is better then a -1 yard run.,

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I'd like a link for that.

And I do think we could have some more success with a short passing game attack that didn't JUST include Jason witten.

Lots of comebacks, drags, etc. We have Miles Austin and Dez Bryant, two marvels at YAC.

3 step drops aren't pretty but if you use them effectively between the 20s you can move the ball. A 3 yard pass is better then a -1 yard run.,

Believe it or not, Dez and Austin do run alot of drag routes.

As a matter of fact, one play Dallas has ran alot is the pick/rub route to get Austin free over the middle of the field when he's in the slot. They also did this repeatedly with Beasley vs WAS.

They usually end up being routine plays that pick up first downs so no one really notices it unless you go back and study the tape.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

Believe it or not, Dez and Austin do run alot of drag routes.

As a matter of fact, one play Dallas has ran alot is the pick/rub route to get Austin free over the middle of the field when he's in the slot. They also did this repeatedly with Beasley vs WAS.

They usually end up being routine plays that pick up first downs so no one really notices it unless you go back and study the tape.

I know that they do. But what happened to the comeback route? That was a major one up through last year and it seems to have lost beeing a feature. Quick ins? slants? etc.

Don't get me wrong, I know we have and use these routes, but more often it seems we have two deep routes, an intermediary and a short check down.

[rickjameschinaclub]

They ran the same stuff in the 2nd half as the 1st.

The difference? The OL blocked alot better and gave Romo time.

I didn't say 2nd half, I said second quarter.

You mean like the way we ran 6 PA passes in the NYG game at home?

It helps when you establish a running game to compliment the passing game.

Going back a month eh, when the OL was still getting destroyed. And play-action off of shot-gun snaps, when Dallas was clearly going pass, because the Giants were up 23-0. I mean that impressive 19 yard rushing game was just the key of which to make effective play-action. Please don't go there... Even if we were to assume for the sake of argument what you say is true, which as we can see is quite comical in your rather lame attempt to establish a point, one game does not a trend make. Remember, we are 11 games into the season.

So you think this was a designed roll out and not Tony extending the play because he felt pressure in his face because Doug Free couldn't block his man?

Well, considering he rolled straight to his right on the play-action, from the beginning of the snap, you can be pretty sure he was rolling to the right. But don't be confused on this, i.e. the play was still all Romo, but the fact that that side had shifted the defense right, made a big difference in Dez being able to break free for a TD.

The SEA and TB come to mind right away but in those game Witten struggled and/or Romo overthrew the ball to him. WAS was another game where Witten was open down the seam but Romo overthrew the ball just a tad.

Sorry, but this play was one-on-one, straight down the seam, without any safety help and Witten had burned his man, because of the play-action. And one more time, you do realize we are eleven games into the season.

I'd beg to differ that the talent on the OL needs to be upgraded, and another legit WR added to the mix. You saw what Romo can do when he's given time but that is the problem and has been this season, hasn't it?

I didn't say that they couldn't improve on the OL, I said if one thinks the problem is primarily the talent, they are fooling themselves. It's the same OL and Doug Free was getting abused all day.

One more time....

Play action..

The fact that, even if we assume that the Red-Headed Genius, came up with going play-action, the reality that anybody and everybody could see it all year long, including the like's of Sturm is telling about this coach... Like I said, my grandmother could have coached the talent on this team.

And like I said as well, Philly played a lot of man from what I could tell, which helped the Cowboys offense...

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I know that they do. But what happened to the comeback route? That was a major one up through last year and it seems to have lost beeing a feature. Quick ins? slants? etc.

Don't get me wrong, I know we have and use these routes, but more often it seems we have two deep routes, an intermediary and a short check down.

Dez's catch and fumble in the WAS game was on a double slants with Beasley running a slant beside him.

The comebacks are still there but the Cowboys saw the voids in the middle of the field and kept attacking those areas.

Route concepts usually have a deep route or two in the design. The purpose is to get a Safety to commit to that deep route so you can go underneath it or get them to commit underneath so you can go over the top. The better option for the S is to always keep things in front of them. When you can't run the ball effectively against a two deep coverage, you don't give anything the defense can respect and they won't change their coverages.

Opposing defenses are playing two deep coverages to keep Romo going underneath so that we have to dink and dunk are way up the field. With the effectiveness of the running game PHI had to reconsider that approach and we took our shots when they aligned a S closer to the box.

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by rickjameschinaclub

I didn't say 2nd half, I said second quarter.



Going back a month eh, when the OL was still getting destroyed. And play-action off of shot-gun snaps, when Dallas was clearly going pass, because the Giants were up 23-0. I mean that impressive 19 yard rushing game was just the key of which to make effective play-action. Please don't go there... Even if we were to assume for the sake of argument what you say is true, which as we can see is quite comical in your rather lame attempt to establish a point, one game does not a trend make. Remember, we are 11 games into the season.



Well, considering he rolled straight to his right on the play-action, from the beginning of the snap, you can be pretty sure he was rolling to the right. But don't be confused on this, i.e. the play was still all Romo, but the fact that that side had shifted the defense right, made a big difference in Dez being able to break free for a TD.

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Sorry, but this play was one-on-one, straight down the seam, without any safety help and Witten had burned his man, because of the play-action. And one more time, you do realize we are eleven games into the season.




I didn't say that they couldn't improve on the OL, I said if one thinks the problem is primarily the talent, they are fooling themselves. It's the same OL and Doug Free was getting abused all day.

One more time....

Play action..

The fact that, even if we assume that the Red-Headed Genius, came up with going play-action, the reality that anybody and everybody could see it all year long, including the like's of Sturm is telling about this coach... Like I said, my grandmother could have coached the talent on this team.

And like I said as well, Philly played a lot of man from what I could tell, which helped the Cowboys offense...

You simply don't get it, consider yourself ignored from this point forward.