RGIII or Andrew Luck

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

I love Andrew Luck also. Give me either. I saw Luck play live in the Orange Bowl. He is going to be a star.

You still haven't given me any reason besides the "college offense" garbage which you quite honestly have no clue about or else you'd be in the NFL and not debating me on a message board

I told you the reason. You just won't accept it. Andrew Luck is a vastly superior pro QB. He has all the skill set to excel running a pro offense. Robert Griffin is an athlete running a college style offense and making some highlight plays.

Luck is Peyton Manning. Griffin is Michael Vick. That's just the way I see it.

[dexternjack]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

Yea, at this point I think RG3 has lapped Romo. If you asked me to trade RG3 for Romo straight up I would laugh in your face. I am not sure how you can Luck is asked to do more then RG3. Are you in coaches meetings? Do you know the calls the Colts are making? A comment like that is silly.

INT's matter. Protecting the football matters as a QB. Or else you end up being Rex Grossman

It is pretty obvious to the naked eye Luck's offense is more complex. I don't need 20 years in coaching to see that.

If you really believe RGIII is better than Romo, then you have no place to question my opinions. The ONLY reason you or most Redskin fans would turn that trade down is because of age, there are no other reasons to do so.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

I told you the reason. You just won't accept it. Andrew Luck is a vastly superior pro QB. He has all the skill set to excel running a pro offense. Robert Griffin is an athlete running a college style offense and making some highlight plays.

Luck is Peyton Manning. Griffin is Michael Vick. That's just the way I see it.

That is false. Thats my point. Vick has nowhere near the accuracy of RG3. Its not even worth discussing that.

RG3 can make all the throws from the pocket. The fact that he has athletic ability makes him that much more dangerous.

You haven't demonstrated to me through any objective measure that Luck is vastly superior. I have demonstrated through objectives measures how superior RG3 has been thus far

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by dexternjack

It is pretty obvious to the naked eye Luck's offense is more complex. I don't need 20 years in coaching to see that.

If you really believe RGIII is better than Romo, then you have no place to question my opinions. The ONLY reason you or most Redskin fans would turn that trade down is because of age, there are no other reasons to do so.

Its not even a question to me anymore about RG3 vs Romo, age wise or other wise.

RG3 has a better more accurate arm and protects the football better. Same size, better athletic ability.

You remember that Aldrick Robinson TD on thanksgiving? Thats the result of a complex offense which again you have no way knowing unless you are in the business

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

That is false. Thats my point. Vick has nowhere near the accuracy of RG3. Its not even worth discussing that.

RG3 can make all the throws from the pocket. The fact that he has athletic ability makes him that much more dangerous.

You haven't demonstrated to me through any objective measure that Luck is vastly superior. I have demonstrated through objectives measures how superior RG3 has been thus far

You haven't demonstrated anything. You just think you have. You regurgitated stats. Yet completely ignored the offenses they run. The high completion percentage doesn't impress me with the easy throws he's asked to make. Making stick throws down the field between two defenders like Luck has to do, does. That's not to say Griffin hasn't made those throws, but that's not the design of his offense like it is with Luck.

Luck is a pro QB playing a pro offense that can and will be sustained going forward. He'll just get better and better from here.

Griffin is an athlete playing a college gimmick offense by a head coach that knows he needs to spoon feed him slowly to avoid a debacle. That can not be sustained. He's going to have to develop into a big boy pro QB down the road or he'll be another Michael Vick. Nice highlights. Can't win with him.

Again, there is a reason why Luck was the hands down no brainer 1st overall draft pick and if there was a do-over, no GM in football wouldn't make the same pick.

He's just a superior player than your QB. Get over it.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by dexternjack

It is pretty obvious to the naked eye Luck's offense is more complex. I don't need 20 years in coaching to see that.

If you really believe RGIII is better than Romo, then you have no place to question my opinions. The ONLY reason you or most Redskin fans would turn that trade down is because of age, there are no other reasons to do so.

Pick any NFL writer you want. Ask him about the offenses Luck and Griffin run and the differences between the two. You'll get the truth.

You're dealing with a Redskins fan desperately trying to get love for his hyped phenom. I think the Colts fans are quite content just having the actual better QB.

You will look back at these conversations in 10 years and laugh at how ridiculous it was.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

You haven't demonstrated anything. You just think you have. You regurgitated stats. Yet completely ignored the offenses they run. The high completion percentage doesn't impress me with the easy throws he's asked to make. Making stick throws down the field between two defenders like Luck has to do, does. That's not to say Griffin hasn't made those throws, but that's not the design of his offense like it is with Luck.

As are Manning and Brady and Flacco and Ryan. You seem to ignore this

RG3 has thrown a high share of short passes, with 153 of his 205 completions (74.6 percent) thrown fewer than 10 yards. But he's just a tree in an NFL forest of QBs throwing short passes. Consider that Tom Brady, with a passer rating of 105.2, is throwing short at a far higher rate. Brady has thrown fewer than 10 yards on a whopping 222 of his 308 completions entering Week 13, or 81 percent, far ahead of Griffin. Matt Ryan, with perhaps the NFL's best downfield options in Julio Jones and Roddy White (as well as Tony Gonzalez), throws short 73 percent of the time, essentially the same as Griffin. Peyton Manning (74.1), Rodgers (73.4) and even Joe Flacco (70 percent) are all thriving on the short ball at a rate virtually the same as RG3.

Luck is a pro QB playing a pro offense that can and will be sustained going forward. He'll just get better and better from here.

Brady is running spread pass concepts at this point. 3-4 wide, short wide and pistol concepts.

Griffin is an athlete playing a college gimmick offense by a head coach that knows he needs to spoon feed him slowly to avoid a debacle. That can not be sustained. He's going to have to develop into a big boy pro QB down the road or he'll be another Michael Vick. Nice highlights. Can't win with him.

False. RG3 has far superior passing skills then Vick. That comparison is silly.

Originally Posted by Risen Star

He's just a superior player than your QB. Get over it.

Terrible argument. You still haven't demonstrated it to any degree whatsoever besides the "pro style offense" canard which has led to 4 times as INTs against an easier schedule.

[dexternjack]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Pick any NFL writer you want. Ask him about the offenses Luck and Griffin run and the differences between the two. You'll get the truth.

You're dealing with a Redskins fan desperately trying to get love for his hyped phenom. I think the Colts fans are quite content just having the actual better QB.

You will look back at these conversations in 10 years and laugh at how ridiculous it was.

Yea, I am done arguing. No reason to raise the BP tonight

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by dexternjack

Yea, I am done arguing. No reason to raise the BP tonight

Just talking with them makes me want to gag.

Sit tight. Enjoy their frustrations over the years when he doesn't amount to the hype.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Pick any NFL writer you want. Ask him about the offenses Luck and Griffin run and the differences between the two. You'll get the truth.

You're dealing with a Redskins fan desperately trying to get love for his hyped phenom. I think the Colts fans are quite content just having the actual better QB.

You will look back at these conversations in 10 years and laugh at how ridiculous it was.

I certainly will. Luck will be great. RG3 a generational superstar.

Please find me any article right now that proves what you are stating. I have an article which you ignore because it doesn't fit your narrative. Certainly you would point to something in the PFF article that is wrong. But you can't because the facts don't fit your narrative. Your opinion is contrary to fact, which is why you go with the "pro style offense canard" which you can't even prove objectively. I am open to discussion about the offenses.

I am sure your level of understanding is far superior you would refute this

That's because such a case against RG3 simply doesn't hold up to a more advanced look at the tape, the numbers and the context of the situation Griffin finds himself in. It's why any critic who would claim RG3 is, say, merely a more evolved Michael Vick, is missing a guy who may become something more like Aaron Rodgers -- and isn't far off that level now.

Start with those short throws.

[View Full Quote]RG3 has thrown a high share of short passes, with 153 of his 205 completions (74.6 percent) thrown fewer than 10 yards. But he's just a tree in an NFL forest of QBs throwing short passes. Consider that Tom Brady, with a passer rating of 105.2, is throwing short at a far higher rate. Brady has thrown fewer than 10 yards on a whopping 222 of his 308 completions entering Week 13, or 81 percent, far ahead of Griffin. Matt Ryan, with perhaps the NFL's best downfield options in Julio Jones and Roddy White (as well as Tony Gonzalez), throws short 73 percent of the time, essentially the same as Griffin. Peyton Manning (74.1), Rodgers (73.4) and even Joe Flacco (70 percent) are all thriving on the short ball at a rate virtually the same as RG3.

If you claim the Redskins have RG3 pedaling in an offense built around the short throw -- quick slants, quick digs, across-the-formation shots -- then you might as well say Brady is being pushed while utilizing training wheels.

The problem is you can't because you don't know what you are talking about. You seem to equate RG3 to Vick which demonstrates your lack of understanding of the QB position. If you can't provide some objective facts, go sit in the corner and come back when you have big boy stuff. I'll watch RG3 torch your secondary for the next 15 years

[rdskn4eva]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

I told you the reason. You just won't accept it. Andrew Luck is a vastly superior pro QB. He has all the skill set to excel running a pro offense. Robert Griffin is an athlete running a college style offense and making some highlight plays.

Luck is Peyton Manning. Griffin is Michael Vick. That's just the way I see it.

I didnt realize that Vick was an accurate passer. Where have I've been?

[Chocolate Lab]

Yeah, the Vick-to-RG3 comparisons are absurd. They're both black and fast, and that's about as far as it goes. RG3 is a much better passer and his mind and work ethic are 1000x better.

[NIBGoldenchild]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

I told you the reason. You just won't accept it. Andrew Luck is a vastly superior pro QB. He has all the skill set to excel running a pro offense. Robert Griffin is an athlete running a college style offense and making some highlight plays.

Luck is Peyton Manning. Griffin is Michael Vick. That's just the way I see it.

That's just the way it is....in your mind, which isn't reality.

I've watched Luck's games, not all, but enough, have you? He's thrown some great clutch passes, and some horrible interceptions. He's thrown horrible passes that I've never seen Griffin throw. I have confidence he'll correct that in time, but right now Griffin protects that ball better than Luck and scores more than Luck.

Is it possible you prefer Luck over Griffin because you don't have to deal with Luck twice a year?

[IAmLegend]

Romo!

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

Yeah, the Vick-to-RG3 comparisons are absurd. They're both black and fast, and that's about as far as it goes. RG3 is a much better passer and his mind and work ethic are 1000x better.

Its a flat out lazy and racist comparison. Its that simple