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Aven8 · 12-03-2012

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

Yep.

And he's probably right... But I'm gonna hold out hope that Jerry comes to his senses.

I hope so to.

Star4Ever · 12-03-2012

Well Hos, I can only assume you love 8-8 teams (or worse), cheering for one of the most undisciplined teams in the league year after year with absolutely zero improvement in that area, defenses that continually come up small when needed the most, and an offense that most often fails to score in the red zone? Does that about sum it up?

Hostile · 12-03-2012

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Originally Posted by Star4Ever

Well Hos, I can only assume you love 8-8 teams (or worse), cheering for one of the most undisciplined teams in the league year after year with absolutely zero improvement in that area, defenses that continually come up small when needed the most, and an offense that most often fails to score in the red zone? Does that about sum it up?

You can assume I love the Cowboys regardless of their record, and that I actually do keep it real. Does that about sum it up? It should.

CowboyMcCoy · 12-03-2012

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Dude, the last few weeks have been epic on CZ. I don't think I've ever laughed as hard as I have recently at people trying to save face for their own ego. Spinning your tricycle wheels has now been taken to a whole, new level.

Star4Ever · 12-03-2012

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You can assume I love the Cowboys regardless of their record, and that I actually do keep it real. Does that about sum it up? It should.

I think we can assume we all do. That's why we're here. What I want is to see some positive changes. We've seen damn few the last three years. Damn few. I don't see how a coach that supposedly relishes discipline can have such an undisciplined team that is prone to self destruction. We beat ourselves more than any other team in the league. We just do and no one can argue otherwise. Don't you agree that we at least need to hire an OC? You have to see that.

Hostile · 12-03-2012

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I think we can assume we all do. That's why we're here. What I want is to see some positive changes. We've seen damn few the last three years. Damn few. I don't see how a coach that supposedly relishes discipline can have such an undisciplined team that is prone to self destruction. We beat ourselves more than any other team in the league. We just do and no one can argue otherwise. Don't you agree that we at least need to hire an OC? You have to see that.

I don't. We have to fix the OL.

Star4Ever · 12-03-2012

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I don't. We have to fix the OL.

That much is more than obvious but it's absolutely not the only problem we have. Garrett has blown far too many head coaching calls (clock management, down and distance issues, challenge issues, etc,) because he's had his nose stuck in his play sheet. He needs help. He's taken on far too much for a young, first time head coach. To me, it's just obvious.

Hostile · 12-03-2012

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That much is more than obvious but it's absolutely not the only problem we have. Garrett has blown far too many head coaching calls (clock management, down and distance issues, challenge issues, etc,) because he's had his nose stuck in his play sheet. He needs help. He's taken on far too much for a young, first time head coach. To me, it's just obvious.

Okay. I don't agree. Not sure where to go from here on it. I don't see it the way you do. I'm not going to. You're not going to see it the way I do.

pjtoadie · 12-03-2012

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That much is more than obvious but it's absolutely not the only problem we have. Garrett has blown far too many head coaching calls (clock management, down and distance issues, challenge issues, etc,) because he's had his nose stuck in his play sheet. He needs help. He's taken on far too much for a young, first time head coach. To me, it's just obvious.

Star4Ever · 12-03-2012

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Okay. I don't agree. Not sure where to go from here on it. I don't see it the way you do. I'm not going to. You're not going to see it the way I do.

I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm just pointing out some of the very basic head coaching mistakes he's made because he's distracted with his play calling duties. That can't even be debated. It's happened numerous times. You watch the games, so you know I'm not just making it up.

Hostile · 12-03-2012

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I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm just pointing out some of the very basic head coaching mistakes he's made because he's distracted with his play calling duties. That can't even be debated. It's happened numerous times. You watch the games, so you know I'm not just making it up.

Again, I don't agree. I see some of what you are saying but it is a few minor things that don't define a Coach at any level.

Star4Ever · 12-03-2012

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Again, I don't agree. I see some of what you are saying but it is a few minor things that don't define a Coach at any level.

Define him? Maybe, maybe not. Cost the team games? Damn skippy.

Hostile · 12-03-2012

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Define him? Maybe, maybe not. Cost the team games? Damn skippy.

We'll keep going in circles if you want. OL execution has cost us almost every game we've lost. Injuries have contributed more than anyoen wants to admit, though you did in another thread. If I had said what you did the fallout would have been unbearable. The schedule we began the season with was a big part of why we are where we are.

tecolote · 12-03-2012

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Again, I don't agree. I see some of what you are saying but it is a few minor things that don't define a Coach at any level.

I don't agree with you on Garrett, I think he has been pretty bad here. But after this Giants loss he has a chance to define himself once and for all in these last 4 games.

This is his opportunity to take this job and run with it, if the Cowboys make the playoffs, he will win a lot of hearts, including mine. Here's hoping he does.

Dhragon · 12-03-2012

Jerry is going to do whatever it takes to build some excitement in the offseason. I imagine he'd prefer it not to be firing Garrett, but if that's what it takes to energize the fans, he'll do it.

My thought is Jerry will try and get a big free agent or two, solidify the O-line like everyone wants to, and maybe get a real OC playcaller in here and hope that that will be enough to continue on with Garrett.

I know that would be the minimum it would take to get me at all optimistic going into next year barring getting a real HC in here who isn't a Jerry yes man.