A Case for Redball

[visionary]

Originally Posted by jnday

If the sloppy play was cleaned up in the least little bit, I would feel different about Garrett. That should have been the first sign that the team is headed in the right direction. There is a long list of things that makes me think the team is not headed in the right direction, but penalties and stupid plays tops the list of changes that should have been addressed. There is no excuse for it.

this^^

if you can "make a case for garrett" at this point, you are delusional

delusion = bad

self delusion = worse

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by rickjameschinaclub

"Right kind" of players and "Quality" guys... If you ask them how they define it, they'll coime up with even more vague terms... What the hell does that mean?

Winning is more important to them and personal achievement, and they'll maximize the effort they're willing to put out every day, practice, game, snap.

There are a lot of talented players in the NFL who don't meet those criteria.

[visionary]

Originally Posted by Idgit

There's something to be said for committing to fill a roster with the right kinds of players. He's done a nice job with it, so far.

so the aim should be to "fill the roster with RKGs"

does "winning" factor in somewhere along the way?

RKGs, hmmm... should we also get Mr. Rogers while were at it?

the only thing that is to be said for the job our GM has done thus far cant be said in front of kids

from 8-8 to 6-6

now that is the kind of progress i want to see

[rickjameschinaclub]

Originally Posted by Idgit

Winning is more important to them and personal achievement, and they'll maximize the effort they're willing to put out every day, practice, game, snap.

There are a lot of talented players in the NFL who don't meet those criteria.

More vague terms...

I thought Doug Free got a fat check and packed it in... So based upon what you observe in practice, who in the Wade era that has been let go didn't want to win... How is this measured? So why are the WRs always running wrong routes, the OL can't block, and so on? Is it because they don't want to win, or just suck?

So wanting to win is more important than actually winning?

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by jgboys1

Same here. Lets see what happens next year. Get some help in the trenches in the offseason and you can see a much improved Cowboys team next season.

Unreal. The guy is terrible and some of you want to give him another year.

He has absolutely zero presence as a coach and his playcalling plus in game management is amateur.

I don't want a coach that doesn't adjust his system to his players.


People are a little happy with Garrett right now because he went out and beat a completely inferior team at home.

We also came out stinking in a typical Garrett coached team fashion.

[goshan]

Originally Posted by Idgit

Winning is more important to them and personal achievement, and they'll maximize the effort they're willing to put out every day, practice, game, snap.

There are a lot of talented players in the NFL who don't meet those criteria.

Just stop it guys. Every NFL team would ideally fill all positions with RKGs. There is nothing new or interesting about it. But a team with 100% RKGs will lose to a team with 80% RKGs that has a lot more talent all day long.

It is amazing how so many have latched onto this.

[goshan]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

Unreal. The guy is terrible and some of you want to give him another year.

He has absolutely zero presence as a coach and his playcalling plus in game management is amateur.

I don't want a coach that doesn't adjust his system to his players.

Your comment about his presence is something I have mentioned before. His presence is bad for the Cowboys brand, and over time this will affect the bottom line.

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by goshan

Your comment about his presence is something I have mentioned before. His presence is bad for the Cowboys brand, and over time this will affect the bottom line.

This franchise can get and deserves a top of the line coach at all times.

Jerry may not give us an advantage with his ability to get the team what it needs on the field but he can put his pieces in the best position for success if he'll just get it right with the guy on the sidelines instead of hiring friends and puppets.

[visionary]

Originally Posted by rickjameschinaclub

More vague terms...

I thought Doug Free got a fat check and packed it in... So based upon what you observe in practice, who in the Wade era that has been let go didn't want to win... How is this measured? So why are the WRs always running wrong routes, the OL can't block, and so on? Is it because they don't want to win, or just suck?

So wanting to win is more important than actually winning?

dont expect an answer

just more double talk

[WV Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Matts4313

But I do think there needs to be some internal conversations with Garrett that 2013 needs to be a significantly more disciplined team. I think it should be made very aware to Garrett that the amount of boneheaded mistakes our team makes is beyond unacceptable. If it were me, I would let Garrett know that he be relieved of the offensive coordinator title. As a young Head Coach, he needs to surround himself with smart people who can help him right the ship.

So who will do this?

Who will have this internal conversation about discipline?

How will he know that the amount of boneheaded mistakes are beyond unacceptable?

Who has the coaches ear?

Please don't say Jerry Jones.

[jgboys1]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

Unreal. The guy is terrible and some of you want to give him another year.

He has absolutely zero presence as a coach and his playcalling plus in game management is amateur.

I don't want a coach that doesn't adjust his system to his players.


People are a little happy with Garrett right now because he went out and beat a completely inferior team at home.

We also came out stinking in a typical Garrett coached team fashion.

We cant run, protect the QB or get to our opponents QB.
Vince Lombardi couldn't win under those circumstances.

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by jgboys1

We cant run, protect the QB or get to our opponents QB.
Vince Lombardi couldn't win under those circumstances.

We try to win 1 on 1 battles and don't bring a lot of creativity to our blocking schemes.

If your talent isn't all that great on Oline and you want to play vanilla and just win 1 on 1 battles then you're a stubborn fool just asking for whats coming.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by goshan

Just stop it guys. Every NFL team would ideally fill all positions with RKGs. There is nothing new or interesting about it. But a team with 100% RKGs will lose to a team with 80% RKGs that has a lot more talent all day long.

It is amazing how so many have latched onto this.

It's probably the hangover effect of the Patriots schooling teams with inferior talent for a few years there.

But I think the idea is to find the guys that are both the right kind and have sufficient talent. It's moving up for Claiborne instead of staying put and picking up Janoris Jenkins later. It's signing Brandon Carr and not Cortland Finnegan. It's going aggressively after Kyle Orton when he's available. These aren't moves to subordinate talent, they're moves to get both talent and attitude, because you believe both are important.

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by Idgit

It's probably the hangover effect of the Patriots schooling teams with inferior talent for a few years there.

But I think the idea is to find the guys that are both the right kind and have sufficient talent. It's moving up for Claiborne instead of staying put and picking up Janoris Jenkins later. It's signing Brandon Carr and not Cortland Finnegan. It's going aggressively after Kyle Orton when he's available. These aren't moves to subordinate talent, they're moves to get both talent and attitude, because you believe both are important.

Good post. Say what you want about Dez Bryant but thank goodness we have a guy like that who is an absolute pittbull on the field.

[Chocolate Lab]

Originally Posted by goshan

Just stop it guys. Every NFL team would ideally fill all positions with RKGs. There is nothing new or interesting about it. But a team with 100% RKGs will lose to a team with 80% RKGs that has a lot more talent all day long.

It is amazing how so many have latched onto this.

No kidding. It's amazing how that totally anti-RKG Martellus Bennett, a guy we couldn't possibly deal with and who by the way was worthless for anything but blocking, is coming up so big for the Giants. Apparently he's not so impossible for Tom Coughlin, who is only as big as hard *** as any coach in the league.

And for that matter, how about Dez? Would anyone trade him for some spare WR with a boy scout upbringing right now?