RGIII or Andrew Luck

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by SkinsandTerps

NIB, they won't hear you, listen, or read.

They have their opinions...if you watch the games you don't even need to look at stats. The kid is already one of the best in the game right now.

Among the elite it seems.
Luck will be there soon also.

I think both are very good, hell Luck took over for a team that won 2 games last year and to help them get to the post season is a hell of a feat. RGIII is also very good. To claim RGIII as elite and Luck will soon be there? That is funny and very humoristic of you.

I would not consider either guy elite just very good young QB. Cam was being called these things last year yet Cam does not look as good as last year. Elite is not a 1 year proposition it is the ability to consistently produces year in and year out.

[InmanRoshi]

Leading a team to 6-6 on a night where you had 160 yards passing now puts you in the "elite" category?

Wow, the bar for "elite" has been dropped pretty low, it seems.

[NIBGoldenchild]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Leading a team to 6-6 on a night where you had 160 yards passing now puts you in the "elite" category?

Wow, the bar for "elite" has been dropped pretty low, it seems.

I think this may have something to do with it:



STATS PCT YDS AVG TD INT RAT
2012 Season 67.1 2660 8.2 17 4 104.4

[SkinsandTerps]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

I think both are very good, hell Luck took over for a team that won 2 games last year and to help them get to the post season is a hell of a feat. RGIII is also very good. To claim RGIII as elite and Luck will soon be there? That is funny and very humoristic of you.

I would not consider either guy elite just very good young QB. Cam was being called these things last year yet Cam does not look as good as last year. Elite is not a 1 year proposition it is the ability to consistently produces year in and year out.

I said among the elite. He is. That is the reason for the hype. The kid can flat out play.

Luck is a good QB and getting better it seems...but he will also be among the elite soon. It's not a slight towards him.

You watch the games and you see how they play. Hell even Wilson is playing serious ball right now.

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by NIBGoldenchild

I think this may have something to do with it:



STATS PCT YDS AVG TD INT RAT
2012 Season 67.1 2660 8.2 17 4 104.4

I remember when most QBs could never be considered "elite" until he won Superbowl(s), but now RG3 gets to be elite for taking a team to .500 and throwing some amazing bubble screens.

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

I think both are very good, hell Luck took over for a team that won 2 games last year and to help them get to the post season is a hell of a feat. RGIII is also very good. To claim RGIII as elite and Luck will soon be there? That is funny and very humoristic of you.

I would not consider either guy elite just very good young QB. Cam was being called these things last year yet Cam does not look as good as last year. Elite is not a 1 year proposition it is the ability to consistently produces year in and year out.

Cams problem is he locks onto Steve Smith every single play instead of just reading the defense.

Luck and RG3 do not have that problem at all. Both of those guys can make timing passes.

I was very impressed with RG3's ability to throw the ball to the spot where the receiver was supposed to be before the receiver even broke out of his route.

Washington's offense looks very well coached. Players know where to be.

I wish Kyle Shannahan was running our offense.


Can you imagine RG3 playing for this team? Would Garrett adjust to his play style? I doubt it because he's never really adjusted to Romo's playstyle.

Romo would be sick in Shannahans system and our Oline would be better too.

[NIBGoldenchild]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

I remember when most QBs could never be considered "elite" until he won Superbowl(s), but now RG3 gets to be elite for taking a team to .500 and throwing some amazing bubble screens.

Bubble screens?

Come on man, how many times is that play called per game? Once, twice at the most.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

Cams problem is he locks onto Steve Smith every single play instead of just reading the defense.

Luck and RG3 do not have that problem at all. Both of those guys can make timing passes.

Fine but I don't look at any rookie as among the elite, Elite is not a one year deal. Both RGIII and Luck may end up being the best QB's of all time I don't know time will tell. I think highly of both but greatness if proven over the course of time.

[SkinsFan28]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

I don't disagree but I think his natural instinct is to go for it, hell he did it last night vs NY were he took a big hit on the sideline after taking off on the run. I think it is great to use that talent but he needs to get out of bounds or slide much quicker than he does. He may have to learn the hard way but if he continues as is he will find out the meaning of the NFL (Not For Long)

Luck on the other hand has good mobility but he is still more the prototypical QB. I think both are very good young QB’s but if I had to pick one over the other I take Luck and no it has nothing to do with RGIII playing for Washington, I said the same thing prior to the draft.

I absolutely agree that it is his nature, and that especially early on, he puts himself at risk. I believe, though he will learn it quickly.

Griffin was asked about the sideline play in the last quarter, and his response was honest, and clearly shows a learning curve. He said that he was making a beeline for the sideline when he remembered how clock stoppage in the NFL works he tried to pull up and stay in bounds. That shows me two things; he knows he should be trying to get out of bounds at the best possible angle, and that he is thinking about the game situation and learning.

In terms of the out of bounds, you really do see that he has learned that lesson, and most of the time is quick enough to get out of bounds without a hit.

In terms of game situation, he will only get better as he is put in more and more situations. Of course if a big play is needed his nature will always push him in that direction, but so does Romo's and every other big league qb. The key is not doing it in every game, or in less than game critical situations.

[Sam I Am]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

Cams problem is he locks onto Steve Smith every single play instead of just reading the defense.

Luck and RG3 do not have that problem at all. Both of those guys can make timing passes.

I never had confidence in Cam Newton being a good QB in the NFL.

If you could guarantee RG3 has a long and relatively healthy career, I would take either Luck or RG3.

My problem is, running QB are a whole lot more likely to get hurt and the fact that every time I watch a Redskin game with RG3, I see him get absolutely crushed several times during a game. I only watched the first half of the Monday night game, but I saw at least 5-6 times was absolutely bashed into the turf. He just won't last with that happening all the time.

[NIBGoldenchild]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

I wish Kyle Shannahan was running our offense.

You can have him, IMO. His play calling in the redzone and 3rd downs make me wish I had hair to pull out.

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by NIBGoldenchild

Bubble screens?

Come on man, how many times is that play called per game? Once, twice at the most.

That's not an insignificant number when your offense is 30th in the league in passing attempts.

And my point still stands ... Matt Ryan, Jay Cutler, Tony Romo, Phillip Rivers, Joe Flacco can never be considered "elite" until they win Superbowls no matter what kind of numbers they put up or how many regular season games they win. RG3 automatically gets put into the "elite" category for getting a team to 6-6 in December? Must be nice to have that much relentless media hype behind you that you get a double standard.

[SkinsFan28]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

That's not an insignificant number when your offense is 30th in the league in passing attempts.

And my point still stands ... Matt Ryan, Jay Cutler, Tony Romo, Phillip Rivers can never be considered "elite" until they win Superbowls. RG3 automatically gets put into the "elite" category for getting a team to 6-6 in December? Must be nice to have that much relentless media hype behind you that you get a double standard.

The quote was among the elite, and I think he was referencing the fact that for this season, Griffins passer rating, completion percentage (at every spot on the field if you sort by splits), td/int ratio, and even rushing, puts him among the top 5 in every category.

As for bubble screens, you do understand that those also play a role in opening interior and stretch run plays, forcing defenses to defend the whole width of the field from the point of the snap. Something that is a staple of Shanahan style offenses.

[Lodeus]

ESPN is pretty much saying RGIII is the best thing to ever happen to football so Id take him... Luck is a bum.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

That's not an insignificant number when your offense is 30th in the league in passing attempts.

And my point still stands ... Matt Ryan, Jay Cutler, Tony Romo, Phillip Rivers, Joe Flacco can never be considered "elite" until they win Superbowls no matter what kind of numbers they put up or how many regular season games they win. RG3 automatically gets put into the "elite" category for getting a team to 6-6 in December? Must be nice to have that much relentless media hype behind you that you get a double standard.

The short passing "critique" is absurd. I have posted about it 4 times in this thread

Start with those short throws.

RG3 has thrown a high share of short passes, with 153 of his 205 completions (74.6 percent) thrown fewer than 10 yards. But he's just a tree in an NFL forest of QBs throwing short passes. Consider that Tom Brady, with a passer rating of 105.2, is throwing short at a far higher rate. Brady has thrown fewer than 10 yards on a whopping 222 of his 308 completions entering Week 13, or 81 percent, far ahead of Griffin. Matt Ryan, with perhaps the NFL's best downfield options in Julio Jones and Roddy White (as well as Tony Gonzalez), throws short 73 percent of the time, essentially the same as Griffin. Peyton Manning (74.1), Rodgers (73.4) and even Joe Flacco (70 percent) are all thriving on the short ball at a rate virtually the same as RG3.

[View Full Quote]If you claim the Redskins have RG3 pedaling in an offense built around the short throw -- quick slants, quick digs, across-the-formation shots -- then you might as well say Brady is being pushed while utilizing training wheels.