RGIII or Andrew Luck

[Heisenberg]

I'd probably choose RGIII right this second.

That doesn't mean I can't change my mind later on.

[rdskn4eva]

I would put RG3 and Luck in that second group of QB's.

1. Elite: Brady, Manning, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Rothlisberger
2. 2nd Tier: Ryan, Romo, Cutler, RG3, Luck, WIlson, Schaub
3. Good: Stafford, Flacco, Rivers, Dalton, Freeman

This is based onm play this year.

Everyone else is below this group.

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by Lodeus

ESPN is pretty much saying RGIII is the best thing to ever happen to football.

Even better than Tim Tebow?


But he was going to revolutionize the position!!!!!

[Risen Star]

Stop with the racism nonsense. There is one QB in the history of the NFL that can compare athletically with Griffin and that's Michael Vick. Now if you want to say Griffin will develop into a better pocket passer than Vick has, make that argument....but don't cry racism when the comparison is very much valid. And don't make Vick out to be a pure runner with no throwing skills. That dude can make any throw on the field. His arm can match up against anyone's. It's his accuracy, ability to read defenses and decision making that's lacking.

This isn't even a tough call for me. You have one guy who could end up an all timer in Luck and the next Michael Vick who may or may not develop into a real pro QB.

[Lodeus]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Even better than Tim Tebow?


But he was going to revolutionize the position!!!!!

All he does win

For real though I would choose RGIII but that can always change. They haven't even played a full season.

[InmanRoshi]

I'd also point out that Dante Culpepper once had a 110 QB Rating and led the NFL in completions and passing yardage that same year. When it goes South with those running QBs, it goes south in a hurry. It just takes one significant injury to slow them down, and when they're forced to play as one dimensional passers they get exposed badly. I believe I read somewhere that RG3 hadn't converted a 3rd and 10 situation until Week 9, which was entering Jamarcus Russell territory. Thus the reason why every NFL GM would pick Luck. You can put him in almost any system with any offense and he'll be successful. RG3 has to play within and specific offense within a specific system tailored around him.

[Jenky]

I think the real question baffling us is: Is RG III better than Russell Wilson?

[Aikbach]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

I'd also point out that Dante Culpepper once had a 110 QB Rating and led the NFL in completions and passing yardage that same year. When it goes South with those running QBs, it goes south in a hurry. It just takes one significant injury to slow them down, and when they're forced to play as one dimensional passers they get exposed badly.

Duante Culpepper also inherited one of the most incredible offenses of the decade of the 90s, RG3 has no Randy Moss or Cris carter.

[Aikbach]

Originally Posted by Jenky

I think the real question baffling us is: Is RG III better than Russell Wilson?

Wilson would be rookie of the year if not for the two first rounders succeeding.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by SkinsFan28

I absolutely agree that it is his nature, and that especially early on, he puts himself at risk. I believe, though he will learn it quickly.

Griffin was asked about the sideline play in the last quarter, and his response was honest, and clearly shows a learning curve. He said that he was making a beeline for the sideline when he remembered how clock stoppage in the NFL works he tried to pull up and stay in bounds. That shows me two things; he knows he should be trying to get out of bounds at the best possible angle, and that he is thinking about the game situation and learning.

In terms of the out of bounds, you really do see that he has learned that lesson, and most of the time is quick enough to get out of bounds without a hit.

[View Full Quote]In terms of game situation, he will only get better as he is put in more and more situations. Of course if a big play is needed his nature will always push him in that direction, but so does Romo's and every other big league qb. The key is not doing it in every game, or in less than game critical situations.

I don't disagree just that he best learn it quickly because DB and LB drool at the thought of a QB acting like a RB. The can barely touch them behind the line of scrimmage so when they get the chance they are looking to bury that QB.

As for his talent? I have not questioned that since his 1st year playing at Baylor after that I was sold on him being a guy who could make it on the next level.

I said before the draft if I had my choice of RGIII and Luck I would still take Luck but it was not intended as a knock on RGIII I just think over the long haul Luck will have more success. We will see.

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by Aikbach

Duante Culpepper also inherited one of the most incredible offenses of the decade of the 90s, RG3 has no Randy Moss or Cris carter.

Uhm,

The year I'm specifically talking about is Culpepper's career year in 2004, when he threw for 4700 yards and led the league in several throwing categories. Chris Carter had already retired. Randy Moss only caught 49 passes for 700+ yards because he was hampered with a hammy injury all year. The team's leading receivers were Jermaine Wiggins, Nate Burleson and Marcus Robinson. Yes, THAT Jermaine Wiggins, Nate Burleson and Marcus Robinson.

[Aikbach]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Uhm,

The year I'm specifically talking about is Culpepper's career year in 2004, when he threw for 4700 yards and led the league in several throwing categories. Chris Carter had already retired. Randy Moss only caught 49 passes for 700+ yards because he was hampered with a hammy injury all year. The team's leading receivers were Jermaine Wiggins, Nate Burleson and Marcus Robinson. Yes, THAT Jermaine Wiggins, Nate Burleson and Marcus Robinson.

Well if that's your argument it is even more irrelevant than first surmised, comparing a failed veteran's best season with a rookie sensation is outright moot, in fact it's illogical

[DanteEXT]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

The short passing "critique" is absurd. I have posted about it 4 times in this thread

Now correct my math if I'm wrong here.... but I believe 222 of 308 is closer to 72.1% than 81%.

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

The short passing "critique" is absurd. I have posted about it 4 times in this thread

Those stats you posted are absurd. I am not going to diminish what Griffin has done this year as a rookie. Looks good to me so far, but it is silly using completions as a way to determine if one QB is throwing short(under 10 yards) more often than another QB. That is a poor use of stats.

The better comparison is to use pass attempts. Compare how many pass attempts are thrown under 10 yards to the total number pass attempts for each QB. Griffin(66.2%) attempts a higher percentage of passes under 10 yards than Tom Brady(64.3%), Matt Ryan(61.7%), Peyton Manning(59.1%) or Aaron Rodgers(63.5%). Those guys just complete a higher percentage of those short passes than Griffin.

Right now on just the pass attempts under 10 yards the completion percentages for these QBs are 71.2%(Griffin), 75%(Brady), 74.7%(Ryan), 76.6%(Manning) and 73.8%(Rodgers).

Completing a higher percentage of those short passes is not the same thing as attempting more of those short passes. That is a poor usage of stats.

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by Aikbach

Well if that's your argument it is even more irrelevant than first surmised, comparing a failed veteran's best season with a rookie sensation is outright moot, in fact it's illogical

What can I say? When you're right you're right. It is unfair to compare RG3 to Culpepper when RG3 really hasn't done enough in his career to deserve the comparison yet.