How will the team address the safeties, oline, and dline in one offseason? - Page 3 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

Deep_Freeze · 12-04-2012

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Originally Posted by jobberone

U address the holes in FA first since its before the draft. We will look at WR, OT, OG, C, OLB, DE, NT, CB, and S. They will prioritize OL, S, CB and WR.

I see a C and T esp on the OL. They won't pass up the right G.

They should try hard to get a WR. Speed, routes and character as well as play on the outside.

The world knows they will look for a S. an alternative is to put Carr at S and get a fast cover CB.

They probably won't cut Free until after the draft and some camp.

WR and even RB are something that Jerry might get too cute with, hopefully he won't overvalue the positions totally and instead looks at what role we need them to play.

Safety is a position that just can't be said enough with this being a passing league and our investment in CBs. If your going to invest in CBs, you need to support them with good safety play, plus looking at our division now we won't win if we can't defend a deep passing game.

It can be done, just probably wont be done the way alot of people think it should.

Rynie · 12-04-2012

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Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

Safety has to take a backseat. They have Johnson and Church returning with McCray/Seny still able to compete.

Priority needs to be given to both the offensive and defensive lines and the pass rush in general. The dline is the oldest group of all the units, it needs to be addressed.

I agree. I hope our 1st 2 draft picks are an OL and DL

jday · 12-04-2012

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Originally Posted by Zordon

Does anybody have a path that we can do this? We have so many holes on this team...we can addrunning back and possiblly another receiver to that list. I know some like Sensabaugh but I don't see it. I see a guy who is one of the least physical safeties in the league. This defense needs some torpedoes back there to put more fear in the receivers. Also would be nice to finally get a ball hawk back there too. Cowboys also need to find their own Alfred Morris in the draft this year. We don't need to use a high pick (see Felix Jones), gems can be found in the 5th and 6th round. Pressure is on the scouts to find him.

I'm not going to lie, I got a sickening feeling in my stomach last night watching the Skins/Giants game. I feel like we're in danger of being left behind in the division for the near future if we don't start drafting better and suring up all of the holes on this team. It can be done but the scouting department needs to do a better job, plain and simple.

Despite what I believe need's to be done, I believe the Cowboys will be looking to address, in no particular order, Corner, OLB, G/C, RB and WR...and maybe a QB in the latter rounds they hope to develop.

batman36 · 12-04-2012

Athletic DE, a ballhawking safety and a drafted guard.

ABQcowboyJR · 12-04-2012

IMO you have to try and fix the OL and hope some of our younger players develop and progress. Two big keys to the offseason IMO. What do you do with Spence? Will Church be able to recover?

LatinMind · 12-04-2012

I think the easiest spot that will and can be filled is Safety. This is a deep draft for safeties. I guy that i like is Phillip Thomas Fresno State. First team all american by the coaches. Thats the all american list that should reflect the most cause its the coaches voting for the best players.

OL IMO we will see 2 new OL. Tyron, Costa, Livings are locks i think. Bernadeau will be a backup and battle Costa for C IMO. Then if he doesnt pan out would probably be a june 1 cut. Free is the Wildcard.

I hope Dallas makes a run at Chance Warmack. Or Jonathon Cooper.

DL i think Dallas is content with what they have. Hatcher, Crawford, Lissemore will be the core Brent and Ratliff will man the middle. I could also see maybe a trade for Ratliff or him aswell being a june 1 cut.

JohnsKey19 · 12-04-2012

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Originally Posted by Future

You're higher than me on Lissemore. I think he blows. Completely agree that the DLine needs to get longer and more athletic. The problem though is that "fat boys" are very good at stopping the run. Until everybody and their mother got hurt, we were very good at that this season.

I'm fine with the philosophy of mostly run stoppers on the DL. Fine. As we've seen the last 2 weeks, having teams run on you makes it impossible limit scoring opportunities. But with that type of personnel up front it's silly of us to continue to bring basic pass rush schemes essentially expecting one guy(Ware) to provide pressure.

jday · 12-04-2012

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Originally Posted by LatinMind

I think the easiest spot that will and can be filled is Safety. This is a deep draft for safeties. I guy that i like is Phillip Thomas Fresno State. First team all american by the coaches. Thats the all american list that should reflect the most cause its the coaches voting for the best players.

OL IMO we will see 2 new OL. Tyron, Costa, Livings are locks i think. Bernadeau will be a backup and battle Costa for C IMO. Then if he doesnt pan out would probably be a june 1 cut. Free is the Wildcard.
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Don't count on the Cowboys addressing Safety in the draft. They really like Sensabaugh and Church and still have Matt Johnson that they haven't got a good look at yet. As I said above, the Cowboys will be looking at G/C, CB, OLB, RB, WR, and the one I forgot about DL. In the first 3 rounds, I see a Guard or Center, WR (if they let Austin walk) and DL (unless they let Spencer walk, then they will likely address that in the 1st or 2nd).

Deep_Freeze · 12-04-2012

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Originally Posted by jday

Don't count on the Cowboys addressing Safety in the draft. They really like Sensabaugh and Church and still have Matt Johnson that they haven't got a good look at yet. As I said above, the Cowboys will be looking at G/C, CB, OLB, RB, WR, and the one I forgot about DL. In the first 3 rounds, I see a Guard or Center, WR (if they let Austin walk) and DL (unless they let Spencer walk, then they will likely address that in the 1st or 2nd).

Yeah, we haven't gotten a good look at Arkin either, that doesn't mean we won't address the position. Matt is a small school guy who will take time to develop, counting on him for anything is a big mistake at this point. If we don't address safety, just prepare yourself for seeing alot of deep passes and long TDs on us whenever we play the Giants and Skins, cause it will happen.

As bad as Sensy has looked out there, don't know how anyone can defend the guy anymore.

Future · 12-04-2012

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Originally Posted by JohnsKey19

I'm fine with the philosophy of mostly run stoppers on the DL. Fine. As we've seen the last 2 weeks, having teams run on you makes it impossible limit scoring opportunities. But with that type of personnel up front it's silly of us to continue to bring basic pass rush schemes essentially expecting one guy(Ware) to provide pressure.

Won't find an argument from me there. Ryan's biggest flaw, to me, has been his general lack of creativity in creating a pass rush.

**jobberone** · 12-04-2012

Again u get what u can in FA. It won't be too difficult to find a good WR in FA. It should be mere rarely difficult to find a good S. I'll be happy here but not expectful in FA. We will also be lucky to find a CB as well. I'm talking about players we can afford and want to sign. I'm not certain about the OL. I haven't seen a list of available OL. IMO they need an OT which I didn't count on earlier. Of course they will look for a C and G.

FA will in part determine the draft. I don't look at the draft much until after FA.

jday · 12-04-2012

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Originally Posted by Deep_Freeze

Yeah, we haven't gotten a good look at Arkin either, that doesn't mean we won't address the position. Matt is a small school guy who will take time to develop, counting on him for anything is a big mistake at this point. If we don't address safety, just prepare yourself for seeing alot of deep passes and long TDs on us whenever we play the Giants and Skins, cause it will happen.

As bad as Sensy has looked out there, don't know how anyone can defend the guy anymore.

I was stating what I think the Cowboys will do. But I'm with you, I really would like to see the Cowboys go after a ball-hawking Safety...I just don't think they will unless a guy that is ranked high on their board falls in their lap in the 3rd or later.

Deep_Freeze · 12-04-2012

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Originally Posted by jobberone

FA will in part determine the draft. I don't look at the draft much until after FA.

I agree with this 100%, you fill holes in FA not the draft, although safeties really hard to get in free agency like you said.

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Originally Posted by jday

I was stating what I think the Cowboys will do. But I'm with you, I really would like to see the Cowboys go after a ball-hawking Safety...I just don't think they will unless a guy that is ranked high on their board falls in their lap in the 3rd or later.

Ok thats cool, just hope thats not what they do then. Looking at this division now, I don't wanna walk into a game questioning whether we can cover things deep cause with the play actions that RG3 is running (and Eli to a lesser extent), it is totally freezing the pass rush and the only way to stop it is with great safety play.

jday · 12-04-2012

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Originally Posted by jday

I was stating what I think the Cowboys will do. But I'm with you, I really would like to see the Cowboys go after a ball-hawking Safety...I just don't think they will unless a guy that is ranked high on their board falls in their lap in the 3rd or later.

I will also say before you put alot a time in a draft board now, keep in mind, following Free Agency in the offseason, this team will look alot different by both addition and subtraction.

burmafrd · 12-04-2012

The problem with trying to fill holes in FA for the forseeable future is the CAP not going up. It is going to be harder to do this because of that; you cannot keep paying more money when there is no more.