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BTX · 12-04-2012

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Originally Posted by joseephuss

Very early voting results:

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Nice link man

crazytown41 · 12-04-2012

Who cares? That award is cursed!

burmafrd · 12-05-2012

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Originally Posted by Cythim

I am quickly getting to the point that I don't care. Johnny should win but I think politics will stop him. Klein is still getting some talk when he isn't even the best player in the Big XII. Te'o is no where near qualified, I've seen better defenders get passed over. He is a great player on a great team but you need to be once in a generation on defense if you want to win Heisman.

Johnny's best hope is for Klein to have an excellent game and get his name back in there. If Klein and Te'o split the Hater Vote JFF can win it.

why do you need to be a once in a generation player to win it on D?

Sadly that just shows the mindset of madden players

Chocolate Lab · 12-05-2012

It's pretty sad that where you go to school matters so much. If Klein and Teo switched schools, Klein would win easily and you'd never even hear of Teo.

Cythim · 12-05-2012

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Originally Posted by burmafrd

why do you need to be a once in a generation player to win it on D?

Sadly that just shows the mindset of madden players

The last madden I bought was '07 so you can stop that noise.

You need to be once in a generation because of all the amazing defenders who were snubbed. If Te'o gets it that is a slap in the face to the dozen other defenders who were better than him but missed out. There is a reason it almost exclusively goes to a QB or RB. I have no problem with it going to a defender, but it needs to be a guy like Suh who wins on his own merit instead of Te'o who would win because he was the high profile guy on a high profile team.

burmafrd · 12-06-2012

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Originally Posted by Cythim

The last madden I bought was '07 so you can stop that noise.

You need to be once in a generation because of all the amazing defenders who were snubbed. If Te'o gets it that is a slap in the face to the dozen other defenders who were better than him but missed out. There is a reason it almost exclusively goes to a QB or RB. I have no problem with it going to a defender, but it needs to be a guy like Suh who wins on his own merit instead of Te'o who would win because he was the high profile guy on a high profile team.

you mean like just about every other Heisman trophy winner in the last 20 years or so?

what a joke.

talk about double standards.

If Teo was NOT from ND you would be all over him.

**BrAinPaiNt** · 12-06-2012

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Originally Posted by burmafrd

you mean like just about every other Heisman trophy winner in the last 20 years or so?

what a joke.

talk about double standards.

If Teo was NOT from ND you would be all over him.

Not many people are all over Jarvis Jones for the Heisman and he does not play at Notre Dame so your logic is flawed because I think Jones is as good, if not better, on the defensive side of the ball as Teo and I like Teo a great deal.

Teo has the advantage of playing on a Team that has almost everyone of it's games played on NBC which is shown in about every market almost every Saturday. That alone gets his name out more than most other players because most other players have games that are shown nationwide but also just in regional areas.

Personally if Johnny Football was not a freshman he would win this thing with ease and it would not even be close. As is he might still win it and that says a great deal and only enforces what I said that if he was not a freshman it would not be close.

Whether it is fair or not...Defensive guys just don't get a fair shot. Woodson did not get it just as a defensive player...they had him do ST and dabble some on offense on occasions IIRC.

And again I think many could make an argument that Jarvis Jones is just as good on the Defensive side of the ball as Teo is.

Jarvis Jones numbers...

77 tackles, 22 tackles-for-loss, 12.5 sacks, 1 interception, 7 forced fumbles, and 2 fumbles recovered...and that is while missing two games.

Cythim · 12-06-2012

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Originally Posted by burmafrd

you mean like just about every other Heisman trophy winner in the last 20 years or so?

what a joke.

talk about double standards.

If Teo was NOT from ND you would be all over him.

RG3 certainly won on his own merit last year and Cam Newton the year before him. It does not always come out that way but the trophy is supposed to be for the most outstanding player. I wouldn't be all over Te'o if he was not from ND because he would not even be in the picture. If Manziel was on ND I would still be pulling for him because he had an outstanding year. Don't try to pull this ND bias, I have been talking them up since they were in 3rd and looking up at Oregon who had a weaker schedule.