Romo or RGIII?

[fifaguy]

Originally Posted by CyberB0b

Would you trade Romo straight up for RGIII right now??

I might be tempted, but the question is moot because the Redskins would laugh at the suggestion.

[Wayne02]

Originally Posted by Lonestar94

Can't believe all the RG3 love in here. He is Cam Newton 2.0. Once people see more tape on him he will be very limited.

And you know this how???

[NIBGoldenchild]

Originally Posted by DFWJC

I think he said he IS smart enough to adjust. re-read it.

His point was that once he does adjust (scale back running to prolong a career) his job as a passer will become far more difficult.

I happen to think RG3 will be able to survive by relying on almost entirey passing. But he's right about the history of that not occurring. I believe he can based more on his current passing skills. Watching him throw compared VY is like night and day.

Then I agree. In a perfect world, I would love defenses to call their plays, respecting his ability to run, yet Griffin not running anymore than necessary. He's a rookie, so he has a lot to learn to become a dominating passer...but for now I'll take his planned running plays over the horrible interceptions Luck has thrown. Griffin can still develop his game and bypass that aspect of development. People forget that Big Ben, early in his career, rarely threw the ball more than 15 times a game. They had an excellent running attack with Bettis and Parker, years later when they needed him to throw more...he did, and he was successful.

I love using comparisons to the early years of white quarterbacks since all of the comparisons I see for Griffin never seem to cross the racial barrier.

[SkinsFan28]

Originally Posted by Jenky

I don't think Dallas throws behind the LOS to receivers as much as the Redskins do. I think it's mostly to the RB coming out of the back field. Yes, there are instances where I can remember when Romo does throw a quick pass to his receivers, but I think the Skins do it more by a good amount.

I was trying to say earlier that Jason Garrett would never take advantage of RG3's strengths and call more plays like this, if Griffin were to be the QB of the Cowboys. Hell, there would be no QB option run type plays.

This was in response to someone stating that Griffin would be a better QB in Dallas than Romo. It's two different offenses in which many of the fans here don't like what Garrett has done as a play caller and head coach.

Gotcha, no I couldn't find the breakdown. I tend to believe Griffin would work in your offense too, the fact that he hasn't thrown much seems much more to be a choice of Mike Shanahan, Kyle (and Griffin I have heard) have favored opening up the offense more, but MS wants to go forward more slowly. I don't see that his percentages would change dramatically, and I would love to see Griffin hitting Bryant (if both are were in the Burgundy and Gold)

[DavidAK]

Of course you mak this trade. It's not even debatable. RG3 is a rookie playing at a high level, the sky is the limit for him. We know what Romo is. He's been great at times but he is what he is. Besides he's only getting older. Listen I like Romo, he's our guy.

But you make this trade in a heart beat.

[bbailey423]

Originally Posted by Ultra Warrior

This poll makes me ill. "Fans" voting "YES" for a Romo for RG3 trade.

Really....I am loyal to the star...not the name on the back of the jersey. I actually had a Cowboy fan upset with me Monday night because I was rooting for the Skins. I actually know Redskins that would not root for the Cowboys under ANY circumstances. Listen, I do NOT like the Redskins. But I like winning MORE than I dislike the Redskins. All 6-6 records are not equal. Ours feel like we are stuck in neutral or trending downward. Theres feels like they are trending upward. Having said all of that....I live in DC..and the Redskins ALWAYS seem to screw things up...and I expect no different with RG3. All of his talent will not be able to overcome the fact that the Redskins just can't seem to get right.

[Wayne02]

Originally Posted by NIBGoldenchild

This is terrible, terrible, terrible logic. Lazy, in fact. It's wanting someone to not be as good as advertised in the long run, so lets compare him to another black quarterback who can run that failed. Where are the comparisons to Steve Young? No wait, we can't do that...he's a HOFer, and you want him to fail.

[View Full Quote]The biggest reason I believe RG3 will be an all-pro for the next 10+ years is his preparation and work ethic. The quarterbacks who are extremely talented, but lack those intangibles, whether they can run or not, fail. Cam Newton thought he'd arrived half way through last season, and lacks the maturity to take his craft seriously. Hopefully this offseason he'll spend his time watching film of great players to pickup what they do well, and watching film of how he played to eliminate his mistakes. Vick admitted he didn't take film study seriously until after prison. Can you honestly say you see those flaws in Griffin? Seriously? Take a real look at his game, how he prepares, and the type of person he is, and say he's no different than Cam and Vick.

Well said sir. Any poster who tries to compare RG3 with Cam and Vick needs to read this post and educate themselves.

[NIBGoldenchild]

Originally Posted by ufcrules1

Excellent post. We need more posters like you around here.

Why thank you, sir.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

Whose offense has been far more productive?

It doesn't matter how "complex" or "simple" (which is a totally false canard btw) is if one is effective and one isn't.

The Cowboys offense simply hasn't been effective when it needs to be. Putting up yards and points after going down 28-3 doesn't impress me.

I guess that would depend on how you measure productivity but honestly, what does that have to do with the point of my post? The complexity of an offense does not lend itself to how successful or unsuccessful that offense is. The Cowboys of the 90s had one of the simplest offenses in the League and yet they were probably the most successful, most effective offense of the time period. You can argue San Francisco and that would be fair but even still, the point is that complexity is not a determination on how successful an offense is.

The statement in question is one of decision making and at what level each QB is at right now. RG3 could not come in right now and run the Dallas Offense. There really is no question of that. It is unfair to say that he is a better decision maker right now based on the fact that he is playing in a very simplified offense in Washington. That's not a knock against him but it is a fact. If he had to play in the Dallas offense, he would not be nearly as successful and his numbers would be much, much worse.

I do not argue the point of success or lack there of when it comes to the Dallas offense. I agree that it is not a very good offense but then again, that's not really the question is it. The question is one of development between the two QBs. Romo is clearly a more developed QB at this point in time. There is no question about that.

Feel free to believe in whatever Canard you wish but please, in future, at least take the time to understand what the point of my post is.

Thank you.

[KJJ]

This would be a no brainer trade and the poll results would reflect it if it were reality and not fantasy. Not only would you be getting an extremely talented duel threat QB who's been as good as advertised but you're getting a QB who's 10 years younger than Romo. You can't pass on the opportunity to be set at QB for the next decade or more with a player that has the skill sets and potential that RG3 has. Someone mentioned they wouldn't make the trade and brought up Cam Newton as an example but Cam had accuracy issues that concerned many prior to him being drafted. He surprised everyone his rookie year and has come back to earth. Newton doesn't come off as mature or as intelligent as RG3.

RG3 has been everything everyone thought he would be and will only get better. The big concern with him are the hits he takes. Once he turns into a runner defenders are looking to take him out so concussions and other injuries will always be a concern with him. My vote to take RG3 has nothing to do with any dislike for Romo. It has to do with age differential and knowing we've probably seen the best of Romo and haven't come close to seeing the best of RG3.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by NIBGoldenchild

This is terrible, terrible, terrible logic. Lazy, in fact. It's wanting someone to not be as good as advertised in the long run, so lets compare him to another black quarterback who can run that failed. Where are the comparisons to Steve Young? No wait, we can't do that...he's a HOFer, and you want him to fail.

[View Full Quote]The biggest reason I believe RG3 will be an all-pro for the next 10+ years is his preparation and work ethic. The quarterbacks who are extremely talented, but lack those intangibles, whether they can run or not, fail. Cam Newton thought he'd arrived half way through last season, and lacks the maturity to take his craft seriously. Hopefully this offseason he'll spend his time watching film of great players to pickup what they do well, and watching film of how he played to eliminate his mistakes. Vick admitted he didn't take film study seriously until after prison. Can you honestly say you see those flaws in Griffin? Seriously? Take a real look at his game, how he prepares, and the type of person he is, and say he's no different than Cam and Vick.

Steve Young is a somewhat decent comp, imo. Dude isiIrritating at times though....i digress.

Lot's of good points here about RG3 work ethic and character as well.
If you combine that with great physical tools, the result is usually that the player comes much closer to reaching his full potential. Nothing new there, but just saying. That does set him aprt from the some of the others.

It's just hard not to like the kid. I hope he keeps his head screwed on but saves his worst games for Dallas.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by NIBGoldenchild

This is terrible, terrible, terrible logic. Lazy, in fact. It's wanting someone to not be as good as advertised in the long run, so lets compare him to another black quarterback who can run that failed. Where are the comparisons to Steve Young? No wait, we can't do that...he's a HOFer, and you want him to fail.

[View Full Quote]The biggest reason I believe RG3 will be an all-pro for the next 10+ years is his preparation and work ethic. The quarterbacks who are extremely talented, but lack those intangibles, whether they can run or not, fail. Cam Newton thought he'd arrived half way through last season, and lacks the maturity to take his craft seriously. Hopefully this offseason he'll spend his time watching film of great players to pickup what they do well, and watching film of how he played to eliminate his mistakes. Vick admitted he didn't take film study seriously until after prison. Can you honestly say you see those flaws in Griffin? Seriously? Take a real look at his game, how he prepares, and the type of person he is, and say he's no different than Cam and Vick.

Only an fool would keep bringing someone's race into this. It doesn't have a dang thing to do with it. Geez, some people need to get over this stupid race card mentality. Just because you use that doesn't mean you are right.

[Nation]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Only an fool would keep bringing someone's race into this. It doesn't have a dang thing to do with it. Geez, some people need to get over this stupid race card mentality. Just because you use that doesn't mean you are right.

How are Cam and RG3 similar as players other than race?

[Wayne02]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Only an fool would keep bringing someone's race into this. It doesn't have a dang thing to do with it. Geez, some people need to get over this stupid race card mentality. Just because you use that doesn't mean you are right.

Out of everything he said in that post the only thing you can concentrate on was the race part? Ridiculous, please re-read it and then make an intelligent post next time.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by Nation

How are Cam and RG3 similar as players other than race?

They're both a duel threat who can run and throw but RG3 is a better, smarter more mature player.