Romo or RGIII?

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by Wayne02

Please name them.

Pick any running QB who has come into the NFL, helped his team lead the league in rushing with a mediocre-bad passing game, taken alot of big hits due to high numbers of rushing attempts and then gradually fallen off once their ability to run started to fail them and the windows got tighter.

It's happened - every - single - time. It's unlikely RG3 will be any different. When you've spent your entire life playing the game one way, and benefitting from that style because the run threat wreaks havoc on the defense, noone has shown the ability to completely change their style once their legs go and they need to start protecting themselves.

[Wayne02]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Them is you.

Meaning? It sounded like you were implying something.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by superpunk

Pick any running QB who has come into the NFL, helped his team lead the league in rushing with a mediocre-bad passing game, taken alot of big hits due to high numbers of rushing attempts and then gradually fallen off once their ability to run started to fail them and the windows got tighter.

It's happened - every - single - time. It's unlikely RG3 will be any different. When you've spent your entire life playing the game one way, and benefitting from that style because the run threat wreaks havoc on the defense, noone has shown the ability to completely change their style once their legs go and they need to start protecting themselves.

From a style perspective I think this is key. They will take more shots than the normal pocket QB and get hurt more often. Griffen has already had a concussion this year. That takes a toll over time. They style he plays is exciting and very effective for the interim. But this is why I say I would not trade Romo for him AT THIS TIME. Too much unknown and will he be able to sustain it once the legs go. If the threat to run is gone then does he become a one dimensional QB.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by Wayne02

Meaning? It sounded like you were implying something.

Read into what you want. I don't give a hot steaming pile of crap.

[Wayne02]

Originally Posted by superpunk

Pick any running QB who has come into the NFL, helped his team lead the league in rushing with a mediocre-bad passing game, taken alot of big hits due to high numbers of rushing attempts and then gradually fallen off once their ability to run started to fail them and the windows got tighter.

It's happened - every - single - time. It's unlikely RG3 will be any different. When you've spent your entire life playing the game one way, and benefitting from that style because the run threat wreaks havoc on the defense, noone has shown the ability to completely change their style once their legs go and they need to start protecting themselves.

RG3 is a QB first who just happens to have sprinter speed. He's not Michael Vick who just takes off after his first read isn't there, he's a QB first. Why is that so hard to understand?

[ufcrules1]

Originally Posted by superpunk

Pick any running QB who has come into the NFL, helped his team lead the league in rushing with a mediocre-bad passing game, taken alot of big hits due to high numbers of rushing attempts and then gradually fallen off once their ability to run started to fail them and the windows got tighter.

It's happened - every - single - time. It's unlikely RG3 will be any different. When you've spent your entire life playing the game one way, and benefitting from that style because the run threat wreaks havoc on the defense, noone has shown the ability to completely change their style once their legs go and they need to start protecting themselves.

The thing is he is not just a running QB. He is known for passing from the pocket and being accurate in doing so. He was very accurate in college and same with the pros. He only has 4 int's on the year. He is a passer first QB, it just so happens he also has elite speed and a horrible offensive line.

[zrinkill]

Originally Posted by Wayne02

I'm passively calling Cajun a racist

I know

[ufcrules1]

Originally Posted by Wayne02

RG3 is a QB first who just happens to have sprinter speed. He's not Michael Vick who just takes off after his first read isn't there, he's a QB first. Why is that so hard to understand?

Exactly.. why in the heck does everyone lump him in with Vick and other running QB's?

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by Wayne02

RG3 is a QB first who just happens to have sprinter speed. He's not Michael Vick who just takes off after his first read isn't there, he's a QB first. Why is that so hard to understand?

He's a mediocre passer who creates problems for defenses because he is a threat to run. The windows are bigger, passing is easier.

He will have to stop running. He can't survive the punishment he's taken for extended periods of time. When he does and the windows get tighter, he's suddenly just a mediocre passer.

Noone has ever made that transformation successfully. Why will Griffin be the first? Why is that so hard to understand?

[Wayne02]

Originally Posted by zrinkill

I know

Don't change my posts to make me sound like something that I'm not. Grow up man.

[CitySlicker202]

I'm not sure which page it was on but someone mentioned that Romo runs a more "complicated" offense and therefore is the more standout passer. So I guess any fool off the street could run Washington's Pistol Offense with all that college stuff right? LoL.

Here's the thing about the Pistol....it requires the QB to make consistent reads on plays that call for an option RB or QB run. No other QB is running this scheme better than RG3 because it is suited to his style of play....making the defense terrified of the threat of him running while setting up Morris or the playaction pass (see Rg3 to Robinson bomb on Thanksgiving Day).

Often times, there are 2, 3, or even 4 people in the backfield....all of which has defensive coordinators constantly on their toes. People sometimes will bash RG3 for not being a "traditional" drop back passer......Isn't the goal to win games?? Who cares about tradition; exploit you're QB's elite talent and win football games!!

And because of that, RG3's elite speed, big arm, and world class accuracy shines through in the Pistol over Romo and his "traditional" drop back passing.

[Wayne02]

Originally Posted by superpunk

He's a mediocre passer who creates problems for defenses because he is a threat to run. The windows are bigger, passing is easier.

He will have to stop running. He can't survive the punishment he's taken for extended periods of time. When he does and the windows get tighter, he's suddenly just a mediocre passer.

Noone has ever made that transformation successfully. Why will Griffin be the first? Why is that so hard to understand?

That's cool, I forgot you can predict the future and you're also a scout as well which is why your evaluations of RG3 hold so much weight.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Originally Posted by superpunk

He's a mediocre passer who creates problems for defenses because he is a threat to run. The windows are bigger, passing is easier.

He will have to stop running. He can't survive the punishment he's taken for extended periods of time. When he does and the windows get tighter, he's suddenly just a mediocre passer.

Noone has ever made that transformation successfully. Why will Griffin be the first? Why is that so hard to understand?

It's like people have no idea what on earth they are watching.

Great breakdown SP. no idea why nobody else sees this stuff. Are people just stupid?

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by Wayne02

Don't change my posts to make me sound like something that I'm not. Grow up man.

Your implications in this post are clear.

Originally Posted by Wayne02

DING DING DING......This is exactly what I was trying to explain to him. Out of everything that was said in that post, the only thing he wanted to talk about was the race part. Please explain Cajun.

We all get it.

[Wayne02]

Originally Posted by GloryDaysRBack

It's like people have no idea what on earth they are watching.

Great breakdown SP. no idea why nobody else sees this stuff. Are people just stupid?

We have 2 talent scouts now. That's awesome.