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Old 12-05-2012   #16
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There's too much that we need. 4 new OL starters. A DE and a NT. A RB as well as a WR with the potential to start down the road. All our backup WRs are slot types. We should strongly consider a TE for the future.

We must find a legit pass rush OLB. Maybe two. We certainly need a new FS.

Lots of holes. I'd focus entirely on the line of scrimmage but keep an open mind to those other positions should the opportunity present itself. And I don't mean packaging 1st and 2nd round picks to create that opportunity.
You've basically built a perfect team and guess what? It will never happen in this league.

We just need to keep acquiring talented players, get quality play from the QB, and get better coaching.
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You've basically built a perfect team and guess what? It will never happen in this league.

We just need to keep acquiring talented players, get quality play from the QB, and get better coaching.
I didn't build a perfect team. I addressed the glaring holes.

We don't need to keep doing anything. We need to start adding talented players to both lines. If we don't, then you'll be in here every year blaming that year's coach as the scapegoat for continued failure from our personnel decision maker.

I'm all for blaming the coach when it warrants it. I refuse to blame any head coach for not winning with this slop up front.

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I didn't build a perfect team. I addressed the glaring holes.

We don't need to keep doing anything. We need to start adding talented players to both lines. If we don't, then you'll be in here every year blaming that year's coach as the scapegoat for continued failure from our personnel decision maker.

I'm all for blaming the coach when it warrants it. I refuse to blame any head coach for not winning with this slop up front.
We'll have to get rid of guys like Miles Austin just to get some quality linemen in here and you'll still be blaming the GM for not having superstar receivers.


We have a bad coach.

The roster needs to improve but the best teams in this league aren't too far away from being mediocre.
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We'll have to get rid of guys like Miles Austin just to get some quality linemen in here and you'll still be blaming the GM for not having superstar receivers.


We have a bad coach.

The roster needs to improve but the best teams in this league aren't too far away from being mediocre.
Yes. That's what would happen. I would blame the GM for not having superstar WRs.

Let's cut out the nonsense. Football is won or lost in the trenches. The Cowboys are weakest in those trenches. Our starting OL this year is an absolute embarrassment. A cast of misfits. I simply cannot expect any head coach to win with that. Even if I'm a really frustrated Cowboys fan.

I'm for a head coaching change this offseason. I want to change Jerry. Garrett doesn't do that. But he also certainly isn't the problem with this team. That's the weak, cop out, let's change coaches so all our scary talent can flourish excuse we've seen here for nearly 20 years.

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Yes. That's what would happen. I would blame the GM for not having superstar WRs.

Let's cut out the nonsense. Football is won or lost in the trenches. The Cowboys are weakest in those trenches. Our starting OL this year is an absolute embarrassment. A cast of misfits. I simply cannot expect any head coach to win with that. Even if I'm a really frustrated Cowboys fan.

I'm for a head coaching change this offseason. I want to change Jerry. Garrett doesn't do that. But he also certainly isn't the problem with this team. That's the weak, cop out, let's change coaches so all our scary talent can flourish excuse we've seen here for nearly 20 years.
Our OL is bad but we don't even make an effort to coach around it. We just try to win the 1 on 1 battles and don't use much scheme to help those guys out. Line up and try run right at them like we're the 95 Huskers and think they can't stop it even though they know its coming.

Meanwhile teams like the Steelers, Packers, and Giants can win Superbowls with scrubs all up and down their Oline.


Basically risen.. I agree that the oline needs to be improved but so does the coaching. Not a cop out because I believe both suck equally.
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Second I really think that Dallas will not win without playing a 4-3 D, the answer is pressure onm the QB and we are not getting that,

This year will be a great opportunity to do that, either let thhis team with Ware and Spencer could do if they did not drop into coverage, just do what they did in college play the DE abd rush the QB all the time, or either let him walk and draft a DE to give Ware some help and to put pressure on the QB, cut Rat or redo his contract, we have the perfect fit for the 4-3 with the people we have..

.....DE-Ware- ...DT-Lissemore ...DT-Brent ...DE Spencer or Crawford
.......SLB-Carter.......MLB-Lee..........WLB-Sims........

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We probably do need 4 olineman but could survive with 3. Draft two in the first 2 days, and sign one. Do you extend spencer or draft one? that is the 8 million Dollar question. If you dont resign him than you almost have to go oslb 1st or second round. Postions like wr , qb of the future, and even safety are on the backburner until you fix out oline and pass rusher. a 3-4 can not function without two pass rushers. How many years have we been dumping draft picks in this 3-4 and we still need more pieces. Enough already. There are 3 times as many teams running a 3-4 as when we started so all the advantages of talent aquistion are gone. My most hated part of a 3-4 is you can sceme out 1 of the pass rushing oslbs 1/3 of the time. We can make the switch with minimal trouble. As far as garrett, he either relinquishes some control or you go get a new HC. He simply has proven that he can not handle both playcalling and HC duties on game day.
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There's too much that we need. 4 new OL starters. A DE and a NT. A RB as well as a WR with the potential to start down the road. All our backup WRs are slot types. We should strongly consider a TE for the future.

We must find a legit pass rush OLB. Maybe two. We certainly need a new FS.

Lots of holes. I'd focus entirely on the line of scrimmage but keep an open mind to those other positions should the opportunity present itself. And I don't mean packaging 1st and 2nd round picks to create that opportunity.
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Re-sign:

Spencer
Phillips

FA sign:

Jake Long (LT)
Mike Wallace (WR)

Draft (in order of priority):

Offensive Guard
Offensive Center
Defensive End
Defensive Tackle
Safety
Running Back
How are we going to re-sign Spencer and then sign Long and Wallace? Is Romo restructuring his 2013 salary to $1? Are we cutting Austin? We are going to have some money next off-season but nowhere near what you seem to think. Correct me if I am wrong.
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How are we going to re-sign Spencer and then sign Long and Wallace? Is Romo restructuring his 2013 salary to $1? Are we cutting Austin? We are going to have some money next off-season but nowhere near what you seem to think. Correct me if I am wrong.
I agree that aint gonna happen.

Here is what I think....

1st the 3-4D has not been good to Dallas. Start the change back to a 4-3. Another stud LB to go with Lee and Carter and you have ahead start for the change. (is the 4-3 a better fit for current set of players?)

FA
Center is a must: Tired of playing musical chairs with no name inexperienced players (fix it and fix right), Costa as a back up.

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Safety: its been a glaring hole for along time....again FIX it or
DE: basically go after the best Safety or DE you can with 1st pick.

2nd/3rd Best OL(ie.RT) or NT

4th RB, DB,


Next year will be the TRUE test for GARRETT, I no everyone (AS I do) wants him gone but the fans are stuck with him for at least 1 more year.
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as long as jerry is here it really dose not matter. not sure why that is not obvious to all by now.
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as long as jerry is here it really dose not matter. not sure why that is not obvious to all by now.
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There's too much that we need. 4 new OL starters. A DE and a NT. A RB as well as a WR with the potential to start down the road. All our backup WRs are slot types. We should strongly consider a TE for the future.

We must find a legit pass rush OLB. Maybe two. We certainly need a new FS.

Lots of holes. I'd focus entirely on the line of scrimmage but keep an open mind to those other positions should the opportunity present itself. And I don't mean packaging 1st and 2nd round picks to create that opportunity.
RS... dont you know yet...if Jenkins leaves, CB will be our top priority baby...and i say that with a JJ wink of the eye lol
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Our OL is bad but we don't even make an effort to coach around it. We just try to win the 1 on 1 battles and don't use much scheme to help those guys out. Line up and try run right at them like we're the 95 Huskers and think they can't stop it even though they know its coming.

Meanwhile teams like the Steelers, Packers, and Giants can win Superbowls with scrubs all up and down their Oline.


Basically risen.. I agree that the oline needs to be improved but so does the coaching. Not a cop out because I believe both suck equally.
The steelers consistently add talent to their oline...
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You have to keep the rebuilding within reason and you have to keep cap expenditures within reason. You also have to project a bit of the development in the existing roster.

I would suggest letting Spencer go as we need to conserve cap space to rebuild the team. I'd also let Free go since he is not worth his salary anymore and we could use the money better elsewhere.

We need to draft a premier pass rusher (1st round) as these are hard to come by in FA and Ware has shown he has started to decline. Ratliff has pretty much declared he is done as an every down player in the league. Spencer will never be that player. If we don't try to re-stock this hole in the roster we will be lost when the games start and QBs can relax. Ideally this guy will be very fast since we will need to contain RG3.

In the rest of the draft I'd like to find a DE, interior OL, Safety, CB and a WR prospect.

In FA I'd like to add a reliable RT. I wouldn't mind adding a reliable vet Safety and a solid 5-tech DE.

Then we'd have:

Smith Livings Costa/Killer draft/Bern FA/Parnell


In the defensive front 7 we'd have:

draft/FA/Crawford Brent/Rat Hatcher/Bass

1st Rd/Wilber Carter/Albright Lee/Lemon Ware/Butler


Now with some of the money saved we can try to sign extensions for Carter, Romo, Butler, Brent and Dez. I'm still undecided about Lee and a great deal would depend on the structure of the contract as I'd like a smaller bonus and more incentives for him given his age and injury history.
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