Romo or RGIII?

[NIBGoldenchild]

Originally Posted by superpunk

Because most rushing QBs are black.

get over it.

You first.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by CitySlicker202

In the "RG3 or Luck" thread, there were the inevitable comparisons of RG3 to Vick/Newton. I feel like people are making these comparisons because all 3 are Black and mobile. However, if that is your ONLY argument, then it is a weak one based off utter laziness to discern more of his actual Steve Young/Fran Tarkenton like skillset.

Have you seen RG3 throw a football on the run? Evade a collapsing pocket and scramble just enough to buy a WR time to get open (4th and 10 at NY rings a bell?). Have you seen him run in a north-south manner that is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from Vick's historical east-west elusiveness? Even when running, RG3 is different from Vick and Newton. And not to mention, RG3 IS a pocket passer who looks to throw first....how many times must this be said?!?! When he does run, it's 2 or 3 designed take offs a game or when the pocket collapses and know one is open.

It freaking never ends.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

"Being asked to do more" (as if anyone on a message board has any idea if this is true or not) is a convienent excuse for Luck's horrible turnover propensity, but was never an excuse for the original RG3, Rex Grossman 3rd.

I can tell you right now that there are several posters on this board that do know enough about the game of football to be able to comment on this. This is not an opinion, this is a fact.

What I would like you to explain, now that you've basically insulted the collective intelligence of the entire board, is how you come to the conclusion that you can make that statement and support it with fact?

[Cowboy4ever]

Originally Posted by NIBGoldenchild

I can tell by those sentences alone you have watched very few of his games. He's thrown lasers down the middle of the field, in between multiple defenders, hitting his receiver in stride. He's done this often enough for it to be considered something he does easily. He's thrown touchdowns this season, placing the on the back shoulder, away from the defender, so that the receiver would be the only player capable of catching it.

Please leave your falsehoods out of this discussion. Thank you.

For the most part, I do not see anyone questioning the abililty of RGIII. I sure haven't. The question is ,,, would you trade RIGHT NOW. the RIGHT NOW is the driving force my answer anyway. I think RGIII is a great talent today. Not sure he can sustain it. As been pointed out, not one QB that plays his style has been able to. Maybe this kid can. He sure is talented enough. But I will not trade away a GREAT QB right now for one that MIGHT be great but MIGHT be out of the league in 4 years all together.

[NIBGoldenchild]

Originally Posted by superpunk

Griffin is on pace for 140 rushing attempts in his rookie season.

Steve Young's HIGH for rushing attempts in a single season was 76.

Get your comparisons right.

Steve Young played in a different era, and running that often back then when they didn't pass as often shows he was considered a running QB, and no different than what Griffin does now. Regardless, he adjusted. Proving yet another falsehood in your argument.

The comparison fits just fine, you just don't like that it hurts your broken logic.

Get over it.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I wanted to help you with that. I was looking for one of Tony with his cap on backwards, unshaven, smiling, while playing golf in Cabo. I settled for this one. His hat is on forward but I'm pretty sure they are in Gatahurl Mexico.

http://golfweek.media.clients.elling...c54b a55b8219

Sweet!

[Sifillest]

Originally Posted by Cowboy4ever

For the most part, I do not see anyone questioning the abililty of RGIII. I sure haven't. The question is ,,, would you trade RIGHT NOW. the RIGHT NOW is the driving force my answer anyway. I think RGIII is a great talent today. Not sure he can sustain it. As been pointed out, not one QB that plays his style has been able to. Maybe this kid can. He sure is talented enough. But I will not trade away a GREAT QB right now for one that MIGHT be great but MIGHT be out of the league in 4 years all together.

What's his style? Who are you comparing him to? He is already superior as a rookie compared to vick, vince young, mcnabb, mcnair, cam, and culpepper.(in their first years starting) The thing i've noticed with RG3 is, he isn't over-reliant on any one facet of his game. The kid makes accurate passes all over the field, and consistently makes smart decisions with the football. I don't see how he will somehow regress in year two with his football intelligence. The only area I feel he needs to improve upon, is sliding. that kid gets crushed often.

[SkinsFan28]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

And this is where people with a limited understanding of the league fall short. Teams have about a week to prepare for an upcoming opponent. Now they may take a closer look and an even more prolonged look at tape for someone who is new and impacting their division but they are primarily focused on the next game. As fans we have all kinds of time to sit around and look at film. But coaches have to get ready for the next game and not get caught looking ahead. Yes they have scouts and yes they have people reviewing tape, but it doesn't get the in depth study someone like Griffen demands. Plus they hardly see all the defensive looks in the first few games of the season.

Also, not all major flaws are "exposed quickly" especially when a team is designing the offense to the players strength.

I do agree with you on this.
ESPN did a breakdown of the first 11 games:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post...rt-griffin-iii

and found some interesting stats. The question for Griffin is can he learn and improve. I tend to think he can, an example of this is in college, his junior to senior year showed a 40 point jump in passer rating (college system).

I really wanted to see how the 2nd game against the Giants went, but our D couldn't get them off the field in the first half, so it was hard to see if they did better or worse. Likewise the 2nd Cowboys game will provide some insight, as there will be a full 15 weeks of tape, AND may well be a win and in situation for both teams.

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by NIBGoldenchild

Steve Young played in a different era, and running that often back then when they didn't pass as often shows he was considered a running QB, and no different than what Griffin does now. Regardless, he adjusted. Proving yet another falsehood in your argument.

The comparison fits just fine, you just don't like that it hurts your broken logic.

Get over it.

Randall Cunningham rushed over 100 times twice in his career. You know, in the same era that Steve Young played. Your entire rebuttal is devoid of logic, historical context or understanding.

Young ran half as often as Griffin during his most prolific running seasons. That's twice the punishment, minimum. Your comparison is inane and poorly thought out. You still haven't produced a single person who has made the transformation that Griffin will have to make if he wants to be successful long term. There's a reason for that.

It's never been done.

And it's unlikely that Griffin will be the one to change that. He might. But it is extremely unlikely.

[DWhite Fan]

Unless RG III learns that his arm is his best weapon and not his feet, he will have one of the shortest NFL careers in league history. Look at some of the hits he has already taken (I shudder at how many if he had to play behind Tony's O-line). RG III is a superb athlete no doubt, but this league will figure him out if he continues to rely on his legs more than his head and arm.

No, I would not trade Romo for RG III. Romo is the better QB right now and gives Dallas the best chance to win...

[Sifillest]

Originally Posted by NIBGoldenchild

Steve Young played in a different era, and running that often back then when they didn't pass as often shows he was considered a running QB, and no different than what Griffin does now. Regardless, he adjusted. Proving yet another falsehood in your argument.

The comparison fits just fine, you just don't like that it hurts your broken logic.

Get over it.

And I'd bet if Young was as fast as Griffin, and didn't have Jerry Rice to throw it to, he would have run a heck of a lot more.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by NIBGoldenchild

Steve Young played in a different era, and running that often back then when they didn't pass as often shows he was considered a running QB, and no different than what Griffin does now. Regardless, he adjusted. Proving yet another falsehood in your argument.

The comparison fits just fine, you just don't like that it hurts your broken logic.

Get over it.

What a ridiculous comeback.

Griffin is Steve Young. Without the ability to read a defense or run a pro style offense. (Two things he may do in the future but can't do right now)

But if you take away all the pro skill set of an NFL QB, he's exactly like Young. Who could run a little.

But he's nothing like Vick! Don't be racist!!

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by Sifillest

And I'd bet if Young was as fast as Griffin, and didn't have Jerry Rice to throw it to, he would have run a heck of a lot more.

There's only one QB that compares with Griffin and that's Michael Vick. They are nearly the same guy. I expect them to have similar careers too.

[Hoofbite]

Romo has 5 seasons left. Griffin maybe 15.

No brainer. You take time.

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

Romo has 5 seasons left. Griffin maybe 15.

No brainer. You take time.

Romo for Tannehill.