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Risen Star · 12-06-2012

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McShay

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft...cracked-top-32

1. Star Lotulelei DT Utah
2. Jarvis Jones* OLB Georgia
3. Damontre Moore* DE Texas A&M
4. Chance Warmack G Alabama
5. Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame

6. Luke Joeckel* T Texas A&M
7. Barkevious Mingo* DE LSU
8. Johnathan Hankins* DT Ohio St.
9. Sylvester Williams DT North Carolina
10. Bjoern Werner* DE Florida St.

11. Jonathan Cooper G North Carolina
12. Dee Milliner* CB Alabama
13. Johnathan Jenkins DT Georgia
14. Dion Jordan DE Oregon
15. Taylor Lewan* T Michigan

16. Sam Montgomery* DE LSU
17. Kenny Vaccaro S Texas
18. Alec Ogletree* ILB Georgia
19. Corey Lemonier* DE Auburn
20. Eric Fisher T Central Michigan

21. Ezekiel Ansah* DE BYU
22. Geno Smith QB West Virginia
23. Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri
24. Justin Hunter* WR Tennessee
25. Cornellius Carradine DE Florida St.

26. Kawann Short DT Purdue
27. Matt Barkley QB USC
28. Keenan Allen* WR California
29. Dallas Thomas T Tennessee
30. Zach Ertz* TE Stanford
31. Johnthan Banks CB Mississippi St.
32. Tyler Eifert* TE Notre Dame

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Kiper

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story...spot-big-board

1. Jarvis Jones* OLB Georgia
2. Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame
3. Star Lotulelei DT Utah
4. Damontre Moore* DE Texas A&M
5. Luke Joeckel* T Texas A&M

6. Barkevious Mingo* DE LSU
7. Chance Warmack G Alabama
8. Bjoern Werner* DE Florida St.
9. Alec Ogletree* ILB Georgia
10. Anthony Barr* OLB UCLA

11. Cordarrelle Patterson* WR Tennessee
12. Sheldon Richardson* DT Missouri
13. Taylor Lewan* T Michigan
14. Dee Milliner* CB Alabama
15. Jonathan Cooper G North Carolina

16. Eric Fisher T Central Michigan
17. Johnathan Hankins* DT Ohio St.
18. Tyler Eifert* TE Notre Dame
19. Johnathan Jenkins DT Georgia
20. Kenny Vaccaro S Texas

21. Sam Montgomery* DE LSU
22. Khaseem Greene OLB Rutgers
23. Shariff Floyd* DT Florida
24. Matt Barkley QB USC
25. Geno Smith QB West Virginia

robert70x7 · 12-06-2012

Compilation

Jarvis Jones
Star Lotulelei
Damontre Moore (4)
Manti Te'o
Chance Warmack
Luke Joeckel (7)
Barkevious Mingo
Bjoern Werner
Johnathan Hankins
Jonathan Cooper
Dee Milliner (12)
Alec Ogletree
Taylor Lewan
John Jenkins
Sylvester Williams (18)
Sheldon Richardson (17)
Eric Fisher (24)
Sam Montgomery (17)
Kenny Vaccaro (20)
Dion Jordan (19)
Cordarrelle Patterson (22)
Anthony Barr (25)
Corey Lemonier (26)
Geno Smith (14)
Ezekiel Ansah (31)
Tyler Eifert (27)
Matt Barkley (22)
Justin Hunter
Tank Carradine (21)
Khaseem Greene (31)
Kawaan Short (33)
Shariff Floyd (33)
Keenan Allen (29)
Dallas Thomas
Zach Ertz
Johnathan Banks

Dropped - Robert Woods

Biggest Risers - Eric Fisher, Ezekiel Ansah, Sylvester Williams, Corey Lemonier, Anthony Barr

Biggest Falls - Geno Smith, Tank Carradine, Matt Barkley, Keenan Allen

RS12 · 12-06-2012

Since Jerry wants to be just like the Giants, I have a feeling about Ansah, I think they will see a JPP type.

robert70x7 · 12-06-2012

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Originally Posted by RS12

Since Jerry wants to be just like the Giants, I have a feeling about Ansah, I think they will see a JPP type.

If we're at 18, here's what I would want (based on my board):

Dion Jordan
Ezekiel Ansah
Corey Lemonier
Kawaan Short
Kenny Vaccaro

RS12 · 12-06-2012

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Originally Posted by robert70x7

If we're at 18, here's what I would want (based on my board):

Dion Jordan
Ezekiel Ansah
Corey Lemonier
Kawaan Short
Kenny Vaccaro

Jerry can say whatever he want about drafting offense, and I know all they need on offense, but to win in this division consistently they need athletes on defense. All your guys make sense, I'd add Richardson.

robert70x7 · 12-06-2012

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Originally Posted by RS12

Jerry can say whatever he want about drafting offense, and I know all they need on offense, but to win in this division consistently they need athletes on defense. All your guys make sense, I'd add Richardson.

Richardson is a knucklehead. I'm just going on slot value, I would love Fisher, but I think he continues to shoot up draft boards. If Warmack falls to us, he's a no-brainer in my opinion.

ABQcowboyJR · 12-06-2012

Richardson might be a knucklehead but he appears to have real talent. Right now it looks like he would be a great pick for us. You just really don't want him turning out like Fairley.

robert70x7 · 12-06-2012

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Originally Posted by ABQcowboyJR

Richardson might be a knucklehead but he appears to have real talent. Right now it looks like he would be a great pick for us. You just really don't want him turning out like Fairley.

The reason I had Short on there was because of his size, and I could see him being a 3-4 NT for us because I'm not a Ratliff fan.

Richardson is a beast. He's superior to Short in almost every aspect, minus size. The Cowboys just don't draft players like Richardson since Garrett has been coach. Based on his profile, I would consider him to be almost undraftable for the Cowboys.

ABQcowboyJR · 12-06-2012

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Originally Posted by robert70x7

The reason I had Short on there was because of his size, and I could see him being a 3-4 NT for us because I'm not a Ratliff fan.

Richardson is a beast. He's superior to Short in almost every aspect, minus size. The Cowboys just don't draft players like Richardson since Garrett has been coach. Based on his profile, I would consider him to be almost undraftable for the Cowboys.

Yeah there are some questions about him. I would really hate to see us pass on him if he fell to us though. A lot will come out about him once the offseason comes and combine time.

xwalker · 12-06-2012

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Originally Posted by robert70x7

Compilation

18 Sam Montgomery (17)
19 Kenny Vaccaro (20)
20 Dion Jordan (19)
21 Cordarrelle Patterson (22)
22 Anthony Barr (25)
23 Corey Lemonier (26)
24 Geno Smith (14)
25 Ezekiel Ansah (31)
26 Tyler Eifert (27)
27 Matt Barkley (22)
28 Justin Hunter
29 Tank Carradine (21)
30 Khaseem Greene (31)
31 Kawaan Short (33)
32 Shariff Floyd (33)
33 Keenan Allen (29)
34 Dallas Thomas
35 Zach Ertz
36 Johnathan Banks

Of the available players in the combined list, I like:

21 Cordarrelle Patterson (22)
Wow player with big upside but limited experience.
22 Anthony Barr (25)
Another Wow player with big upside but limited experience.
34 Dallas Thomas
Underrated player, IMO. Can play OT or OG. Very quick feet and good size.
25 Ezekiel Ansah (31)
Intriguing player with high upside. Although compared to JPP, I envision him adding weight and playing a JJWatt style of 3-4 DE. Ansah looks better on inside rushes than trying to "bend-the-corner" on the outside.
18 Sam Montgomery (17)
Solid player. Safe pick compared to some others. Good against the run and as a pass rusher. Upside might be limited.

19 Kenny Vaccaro (20)
I don't see a drastic difference in the top 3 or 4 safeties. I would not make this pick at #18.
23 Corey Lemonier (26)
Solid player but athleticism is a step below some of the other 3-4 OLB types.
29 Tank Carradine (21)
Injury should push him down the board.
32 Shariff Floyd (33)
I see him as a early 2nd rounder.
31 Kawaan Short (33)
Good ability but work ethic is a big red flag. I'll pass.

robert70x7 · 12-06-2012

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Originally Posted by xwalker

25 Ezekiel Ansah (31)
Intriguing player with high upside. Although compared to JPP, I envision him adding weight and playing a JJWatt style of 3-4 DE. Ansah looks better on inside rushes than trying to "bend-the-corner" on the outside.

I agree with that about Ansah playing the role of a 3-4 DE. When I originally heard about him, I thought people saw him as more of a tweener. I was shocked how often BYU plugged him in at DT, he's very versatile.

I really like Dion Jordan. His athleticism is off the charts.

xwalker · 12-06-2012

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Originally Posted by robert70x7

I agree with that about Ansah playing the role of a 3-4 DE. When I originally heard about him, I thought people saw him as more of a tweener. I was shocked how often BYU plugged him in at DT, he's very versatile.

I really like Dion Jordan. His athleticism is off the charts.

Yes, Dion Jordon is one of my favorite players to watch. He is a highlight reel of the advantages of length (height, long arms).

My concern on Jordon in projecting him to the NFL is his thin build. I can't really remember any successful NFL players with that type of build. I might just be overly worried about the similarity to Manny Lawson.

RS12 · 12-06-2012

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Originally Posted by xwalker

Yes, Dion Jordon is one of my favorite players to watch. He is a highlight reel of the advantages of length (height, long arms).

My concern on Jordon in projecting him to the NFL is his thin build. I can't really remember any successful NFL players with that type of build. I might just be overly worried about the similarity to Manny Lawson.

Showing my age but Ted Hendricks.

robert70x7 · 12-06-2012

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Originally Posted by xwalker

Yes, Dion Jordon is one of my favorite players to watch. He is a highlight reel of the advantages of length (height, long arms).

My concern on Jordon in projecting him to the NFL is his thin build. I can't really remember any successful NFL players with that type of build. I might just be overly worried about the similarity to Manny Lawson.

What first popped into my head were Aldon Smith and JPP, but they were much bulkier than Jordan when they came out. Looking at his frame, I believe that he'd be able to put on another 15 pounds.

The Manny Lawson comparison is interesting.

xwalker · 12-06-2012

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Originally Posted by RS12

Showing my age but Ted Hendricks.

I have a vague memory of him playing for the Raiders. Maybe early eighties.