Romo or RGIII?

[zrinkill]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

The one that looks like the dumbest ever is Taylor vs Williams.

True ...... Roy had a much better career than Taylor.

Unfortunately Taylor is only remembered outside Redskin land for the tragic way he lived and died.

[ufcrules1]

Originally Posted by SkinsFan28

Do you realize how depressing it is to be a Skins fan??? Ugh

I can't even imagine.

[M'Kevon]

Originally Posted by CitySlicker202

Are we really have this discussion? Jason Campbell physically had a big wind up, slow release, would stare down receivers, hold the ball too long, take unnecessary sacks and mentally was not a leader of men on the field. No Redskin fan with a sense of logic ever compared Campbell to Romo. I sure as hell didn't. I also never thought for one second Cooley was better than Witten. Cooley was a playmaker on the field.....but wasn't in the class of Witten as far as impacting a game consistently. Redskin fans do in fact give props to where its due.

Well, that's a lie.

[Clove]

Originally Posted by SkinsFan28

'92 4th overall Desmond Howard
93 17th overall Tom Carter (who?)
94 3rd overall Heath Shuler
95 4th overall Michael Westbrook
96 30th overall Andre Johnson (OT)
97 17th overall Kenard Lang
99 7th overall Champ Bailey (and Jon Jansen in 2nd round) good draft
00 2nd overall LaVar Arrington
3rd overall Chris Samuels (best Skins LT since the 80s)
01 15th overall Rod Gardner
02 32nd overall Ramsey
03 - 3 picks in the whole draft Dockery was the only one worth anything
04 Sean Taylor
05 Carlos and Jason Campbell
07 LaRon

Do you realize how depressing that list is to look at as a Skins fan... Ugh

You guys have been trying to find a franchise QB, you've just made the wrong decisions, and quite frankly, there are only a hand full of those on the planet.

As for Romo, and I hate saying this and I've said it before, but I try to keep the positivity about him to a minimum because he freezes in big games, and you can't freeze up and win championships.

But he's been cursed with bad coaching all his life as an NFL QB, except for his first (half year) starting. Garrett is a fling it around type of coach, and so any QB will put up numbers in his system. But his offenses are sloppy, and because of this, they can never be a smooth offense.

His offenses can move quickly in the air at points, but we will always have a misread, or a missed throw, or missed assignment, or a penalty, or a drop, or a horrible pass. It's always something with this offense, and it has been since he's been the offensive coordinator.


Luckily for RGlll, he has a world class Head Coach, which was in place before you drafted the franchise QB. It takes a great HC and a great QB to be a world class contender for the Super Bowl. And Shanahan (sp?) was smart enough to hire some young assistants (his sons) to keep him up to date on today's NFL. (I'm sketchy with the facts so excuse me)

But now, with a QB like RGlll in place and a world-class HC, Cowboys are doomed for the next decade or so, unless RGlll turns out to be a bust.Same theory with the Giants. A world-class HC with a franchise QB. Jerry will never allow us to have a world-class HC because he likes being comfortable with the guy who kisses his drunk ***.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by SkinsFan28

15 years of (mostly) 1st Round Futility

'92 4th overall Desmond Howard
93 17th overall Tom Carter (who?)
94 3rd overall Heath Shuler
95 4th overall Michael Westbrook
96 30th overall Andre Johnson (OT)
97 17th overall Kenard Lang
99 7th overall Champ Bailey (and Jon Jansen in 2nd round) good draft
00 2nd overall LaVar Arrington
3rd overall Chris Samuels (best Skins LT since the 80s)
01 15th overall Rod Gardner
02 32nd overall Ramsey
03 - 3 picks in the whole draft Dockery was the only one worth anything
04 Sean Taylor
05 Carlos and Jason Campbell
07 LaRon

Do you realize how depressing that list is to look at as a Skins fan... Ugh

You know what makes it worse? All the picks you traded away to move up for some of these players.

[M'Kevon]

Originally Posted by Clove

When is our franchise QB going to win more than one play off game?

When he learns how to play OL and quarterback in the same game.

Usually, a franchise QB takes you to multiple play off games, and wins. Even if he doesn't reach the Super Bowl, which a great one SHOULD, but at least consistently make the playoffs and win there.

Based on this definition, Dan Mariano, Steve McNair, Roman Gabriel, Dan Fouts and Warren Moon were not franchise QBs. But Danny White, Craig Morton and Donovan McNabb were.

Oops, I'm sorry, it's a team game and the team did nothing around him, and his stats came from him blocking, throwing, catching, and defending.

My bad.

Absolutely.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by SkinsFan28

15 years of (mostly) 1st Round Futility

'92 4th overall Desmond Howard
93 17th overall Tom Carter (who?)
94 3rd overall Heath Shuler
95 4th overall Michael Westbrook
96 30th overall Andre Johnson (OT)
97 17th overall Kenard Lang
99 7th overall Champ Bailey (and Jon Jansen in 2nd round) good draft
00 2nd overall LaVar Arrington
3rd overall Chris Samuels (best Skins LT since the 80s)
01 15th overall Rod Gardner
02 32nd overall Ramsey
03 - 3 picks in the whole draft Dockery was the only one worth anything
04 Sean Taylor
05 Carlos and Jason Campbell
07 LaRon

Do you realize how depressing that list is to look at as a Skins fan... Ugh

You sometimes have to go through bad times to hit good times. Appears the skins may have hit the lotto with RG3 and Alfred Morris looks like a real find at RB. Shanahan has had a real knack for finding RB's. The running game Morris has provided has certainly helped RG3.

[SkinsFan28]

Originally Posted by Hostile

You know what makes it worse? All the picks you traded away to move up for some of these players.

as i said ugh. Believe you me that played into my mind with the Griffin trade, but I was sold on him - see my explanation in the NFL zone - so I didn't fret it. I did however advise my brother not to get his jersey because if he does bust, with what we traded for him, would go down as the biggest bust ever (and i am not talking about Dolly Parton!)

So let me ask you Hostile, I know you are a history buff, so you surely know that many of Griffin's stats are in historic proportions, ie his TD/Int ratio rivals Marino, his completion % so high, first ever rookie qb to have back to back 4td games, top 5 all time passer rating for his 1st game, etc. Given that this is true (I am open to correction but the overall point remains the same - much of his numbers are historically elite), at what point would you make the trade straight up - Romo v Griffin?

[SkinsFan28]

Originally Posted by KJJ

You sometimes have to go through bad times to hit good times. Appears the skins may have hit the lotto with RG3 and Alfred Morris looks like a real find at RB. Shanahan has had a real knack for finding RB's. The running game he's provided has certainly helped benefit RG3.

Regardless of everything else, these past two drafts have brought refreshing quality back to the depth of the Skins roster. We were a bare cupboard by the end of the Snyder/Ceratto combo

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by KJJ

You sometimes have to go through bad times to hit good times. Appears the skins may have hit the lotto with RG3 and Alfred Morris looks like a real find at RB. Shanahan has had a real knack for finding RB's. The running game Morris has provided has certainly helped RG3.

Thankfully the last 4 first round picks are looking much much better

2009- Orakpo- he clearly is missed on the pass rush side and will be a good pass rusher

2010- Trent Williams- turning into an elite LT. Maybe the drug suspension was a good thing because he is balling this year

2011- Ryan Kerrigan- another good pass rusher/OLB who will be a bookend for a long time and has made some big plays

2012- RG3. Nothing needs to be added there

Hitting on guys in the 6th round like Aflred Morris is going to be incredibly critical in the next 2 drafts. He has been an absolute home run

[Dodger]

Originally Posted by Clove

Not to mention, for all the bragging people like to do on the Romo vs RGlll front, Romo has no skins on the wall. He has personal stats, and he'll need those to feel good at night, because carrying a team on your back to the playoffs and to the super bowl takes a special type of QB, which we've not seen here since Aikman.

Really?? Aikman carried this team on his back?


By the way...on the whole Romo vs. Griffin thing...I really can't say as of now. To me, Griffin has to prove that he can run a pro style offense and consistantly throw the ball to win a game before I would commit to that kind of a deal. Because if he can't, I'd rather draft someone who can instead of trading for a guy who runs so much out of that kind of offense. Not saying Griffin isn't talented...he's just not my kind of QB.

[zrinkill]

Originally Posted by Dodger

Really?? Aikman carried this team on his back?

Do not even try man....... Clove has really gone off the deep end.

I swear his account has been hacked. Resembles nothing like the poster from a few years ago.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by Hostile

You know what makes it worse? All the picks you traded away to move up for some of these players.

Despite all of that nonsense, we are far better positioned to win this decade then the Cowboys are.

Griffin being the big reason.

[RW Hitman]

Originally Posted by ufcrules1

Are you kidding? RG3 in a millisecond. If he was our QB here right now we would be leading our division hands down.

you must be one of those guys who think QB is the team. I would take RGIII only because of his age and what he has ahead of him compared to Romo who's years are limited.

Wonder why the majority of people say that Romo is the only reason we are even competing if all it would take is to replace him?

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

Thankfully the last 4 first round picks are looking much much better

2009- Orakpo- he clearly is missed on the pass rush side and will be a good pass rusher

2010- Trent Williams- turning into an elite LT. Maybe the drug suspension was a good thing because he is balling this year

2011- Ryan Kerrigan- another good pass rusher/OLB who will be a bookend for a long time and has made some big plays

2012- RG3. Nothing needs to be added there

Hitting on guys in the 6th round like Aflred Morris is going to be incredibly critical in the next 2 drafts. He has been an absolute home run

Morris and RG3 have made a huge impact right out the gate as rookies they're the main reason the skins are on a hot streak and have a chance to win the NFC East. Both players have excited the fan base and have the team believing. Right now the skins future looks a lot brighter than the Cowboys future. Their arrow is pointing up while the Cowboys arrow is pointing down.

Washington has a proven head coach while the Cowboys have one who's proving to be a dud. The Cowboys have an aging corp group and when Romo is over the hill RG3 will be in his prime assuming he stays healthy. The only problem the skins will have the next couple of years is trying to fill some of their other holes in the draft having given up the farm for RG3.