Romo or RGIII?

[Little Jr]

This time last yr a lot of people would've said they would trade cam for romo. I'm gonna hold off on the rg 3 hype just a little longer.

[HoustonFrog]

We need 132 drug tests please!

[ufcrules1]

Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

We need 132 drug tests please!

lol!!! 133 now.

[SkinsFan28]

So, a lot of this conversation has focused on the upcoming sophomore slump, a la Cam Newton. I had pretty much just accepted the premise, it's certainly repeated enough in the media. But I saw a quiz about week 12, with the headline "Cam Newton Sophomore Slump, forget about it" so I thought I would look at his stats. Forget about Win Loss for one minute, because Carolina has a lot of issues going on. Certainly Newton has shown that the critiques about his attitude, and sulky nature were accurate, but that's not a sophomore slump as much as his natural self shining through. So what do his stat's show?
Passing
GP CMP ATT % % AVG TD Lng INT FUM QBR Rating
16 310 517 60.0 4,051 7.84 21 91 17 3 55.0 84.5
12 204 355 57.5 2,933 8.26 14 82 10 5 49.5 85.8

Rushing
GP ATT Yds AVG Lng TD FD Fum Lost
16 126 706 5.6 49 14 51 2 0
12 95 524 5.5 40 6 39 3 1

A few things that stand out to me:
1) his INT's dropped from 1+/game to under 1/game
2) most of his numbers will be very similar this year as last.
3) his passer rating and yds per pass both increased
4) his qbr decreased, but I haven't necessarily but into that stat yet, maybe you all have.
5) his pass attempts per game have decreased on avg 6 a game. This seems to me to say that the offense changed to less passing, but his stats would seem to say that he wasn't the reason.
6) he still runs about 8 times a game.

I guess bottomline, I don't see a significant sophomore slump in these numbers, and would say that it was more a case of the other intangibles (mainly attitude) and the teams general disarray that have hurt his perception this year.

as to the Griffin/Romo question, they both current have a 67.1 Completion %, if Griffin had a Newtonesque slump of 2.5% he would be at 64.6, or at the same level as Tom Brady (64.8) and Matt Schaub(64.4), and better than 3 of 7 of Romo's season, including his 2nd full year. I could live with that.

[SkinsFan28]

Taking it one step further, and I just did a quick scan of ESPN's top 10 qb's, No current qb has more then a 3% completion drop, but several have high positive jumps in the TD/INT rating. I could see that being the case for Luck with his 1:1 ratio, but imagine if Griffin improves on his 4:1 rate. Wow.

[Apollo Creed]

Originally Posted by SkinsFan28

Taking it one step further, and I just did a quick scan of ESPN's top 10 qb's, No current qb has more then a 3% completion drop, but several have high positive jumps in the TD/INT rating. I could see that being the case for Luck with his 1:1 ratio, but imagine if Griffin improves on his 4:1 rate. Wow.

His numbers off play action and from traditional drop backs suggest that he's really reaping the benefits of the Skins solid ground game. If he were in a situation like Dallas with no ground game and poor pass protection his numbers wouldn't be so impressive.

Gotta give Shanahan credit though he puts his guys in a position to succeed and maximize their abilities.

[ufcrules1]

Originally Posted by Apollo Creed

His numbers off play action and from traditional drop backs suggest that he's really reaping the benefits of the Skins solid ground game. If he were in a situation like Dallas with no ground game and poor pass protection his numbers wouldn't be so impressive.

Gotta give Shanahan credit though he puts his guys in a position to succeed and maximize their abilities.

Yup, has nothing to do with RG3.

[zrinkill]

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[NIBGoldenchild]

Originally Posted by zrinkill

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[hra8700]

You would have to be delusional to say Romo. RGIII will be paid a third of what Romo is going to get for the next 3 years, AND Romo is 10 years older.

It doesn't even matter who is better right now...

[bbailey423]

Originally Posted by Apollo Creed

His numbers off play action and from traditional drop backs suggest that he's really reaping the benefits of the Skins solid ground game. If he were in a situation like Dallas with no ground game and poor pass protection his numbers wouldn't be so impressive.

Gotta give Shanahan credit though he puts his guys in a position to succeed and maximize their abilities.

how many times does it need to be stated...the ground game is BECAUSE of Griffins presence...the Redskins have ONE....ONE guy on offense that could start in Dallas....Trent Williams....no one on their OL or at the skill positions could start in Dallas....the weapon of RG3....combined with the playcalling of the Shanny's....has defenses on their heels. Is he going to hand it off or tuck it and run? Or is he going to fake it and throw? Over the course of a game...the mental gymnastics prevents defenses from playing fast....and mental and physical fatigue set in. And that is a bad combination when you consider RG3 is a threat to run or pass....whether it is when the defense is fresh...or wheter they are in the 4th qtr with a worn out defense.

Alfred Morris is OK. But he was a 6th round pick for a reason. Not many stud football players coming out of Florida Atlantic!

[Chocolate Lab]

Originally Posted by bbailey423

how many times does it need to be stated...the ground game is BECAUSE of Griffins presence...the Redskins have ONE....ONE guy on offense that could start in Dallas....Trent Williams....no one on their OL or at the skill positions could start in Dallas....

He's got something to do with it, but I think you have to give most of the credit to Shanahan. He's always run the ball well because he's determined to do so. Besides the value of running for itself, his passing game is so dependent on play action off it. And he has a great system with that cut blocking to get it done, just like Kubiak in Houston.

As many have said, you have to give Shanahan credit for maximizing the talents of the players he has, because there's not a lot of talent on that side of the ball.

[bbailey423]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

He's got something to do with it, but I think you have to give most of the credit to Shanahan. He's always run the ball well because he's determined to do so. Besides the value of running for itself, his passing game is so dependent on play action off it. And he has a great system with that cut blocking to get it done, just like Kubiak in Houston.

As many have said, you have to give Shanahan credit for maximizing the talents of the players he has, because there's not a lot of talent on that side of the ball.

I don't have the numbers in front of me...but how well did they run it when Grossman or Beck were the QBs? Or McNabb? I did state the combination of RG3 ability and the Shannys play calling has been lethal. Heck, Alfred Morris does not even make this team this year if the guys from last year were healthy.

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't disagree with you... Having those absolute scrubs makes it a lot easier to gang up on the run for sure.

Just saying that a threat at QB doesn't automatically mean you can run it. Just look at us.

[bbailey423]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

I don't disagree with you... Having those absolute scrubs makes it a lot easier to gang up on the run for sure.

Just saying that a threat at QB doesn't automatically mean you can run it. Just look at us.

wow something to think about. But you know what...people blitz us with no frear. You blitz RG3 and he will slip out and take it for 20. Cats like him are a real nightmare for defenses!