So OL or DL in the 1st round?

[robert70x7]

Originally Posted by Future

I don't really have that hesitation about Church, but coupling him with a ball hawk type guy gives you great flexibility, and you can have that guy and Sensi in there on passing downs to be more athletic. Get that guy to be a playmaker, and then allow Sensi and Church to each have a role would be my goal for the secondary.

Is Kenny Vaccaro any better than Harrison Smith?

I don't think so. Another weak safety class.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by robert70x7

Can't slot positions by round. What happens if Star Lotulelei falls?

Decastro went 24th, and Warmack is better. I'd take Warmack in a heartbeat.

You'd be a fool to slot positions to rounds. You might as well tell the scouts to go home. You can't treat the draft like it's veteran free agency.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by RS12

I like both but did you see the Georgia game? Warmack was just dominant. His guy either blown off the ball or completely sealed off, and Georgia has several high draft picks in the front 7. I see him as a Pro Bowler in any scheme.

He dominated future 1st round picks in that game. Like a man among boys.

[Manwiththeplan]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

Warmack I think is a little overrated. He is pretty sluggish and doesn't look like he'll have any success blocking at the 2nd level in the NFL.

For starters, this April, Womack (6'2) will be the shortest guard taken in round one, since atleast 1991 (Got tired of looking at that point).

And not one guard shorter than 6'3 has made the pro-bowl since LeCharles Bently in 2004.

So yea, I'd say he's over rated. And probably over weight. I just don't see him being able to line up a dominate his man all game like he does in college.

[Manwiththeplan]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

He dominated future 1st round picks in that game. Like a man among boys.

he did, but I question how much upside he has. How much stronger can he get with his frame, without becoming completely immobile.

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by robert70x7

Cooper does play hard, and he is quicker than Warmack. Both prospects are on the same tier as DeCastro in my opinion (I just hope their knees hold up in the preseason!).

The problem with the Cowboys is opening up running lanes in my opinion. Warmack opens up more holes and played against the best competition in the country. He probably benefited from being next to Fluker and Jones.

Does Callahan's blocking scheme favor quicker/atheltic guards?

Well we have finesse linemen but we still prettyh much use power running schemes. With Murray you see a little more zone. So honestly I have no idea.

I just think Cooper has the upside so I would go with him.

I don't feel good about Warmack recovering quick enough when teams stunt and twist on him. Blocking at the 2nd level I don't feel good about either.

[TheCoolFan]

I think you go OLine in the 1st round because Jerry's history of drafting offensive linemen after the first half of the 2nd round is so poor.

[RS12]

Originally Posted by Manwiththeplan

For starters, this April, Womack (6'2) will be the shortest guard taken in round one, since atleast 1991 (Got tired of looking at that point).

And not one guard shorter than 6'3 has made the pro-bowl since LeCharles Bently in 2004.

So yea, I'd say he's over rated. And probably over weight. I just don't see him being able to line up a dominate his man all game like he does in college.

Not buying this. Warmack is LG and he is athletic. Seen him at the second level plenty. They ran all over Georgia averaging 8 yards a crack, he was a big part of it. The fact that he is an inch shorter than ideal wont bother most of the NFL. All that said I doubt they draft Warmack if he is there because I think priorities fall as follows 1) Pass rush D Line or OLB 2) A versatile cant miss OL like Dallas Thomas who you could plug in 3 positions and be better than you were, and could be had in the 20's.

[robert70x7]

Originally Posted by RS12

Not buying this. Warmack is LG and he is athletic. Seen him at the second level plenty. They ran all over Georgia averaging 8 yards a crack, he was a big part of it. The fact that he is an inch shorter than ideal wont bother most of the NFL. All that said I doubt they draft Warmack if he is there because I think priorities fall as follows 1) Pass rush D Line or OLB 2) A versatile cant miss OL like Dallas Thomas who you could plug in 3 positions and be better than you were, and could be had in the 20's.

Why OLB over OL?

[tm1119]

Originally Posted by robert70x7

Is Kenny Vaccaro any better than Harrison Smith?

I don't think so. Another weak safety class.

I wouldn't call this safety class weak at all. It lacks the elite top talent like a Berry or Earl Thomas, but there definitely is a lot of talent there. Vaccaro, Elam, Rambo, Reid, McDonald, Jefferson and Lester have all been playmakers at big schools. Not saying all are going to be studs but I wouldn't mind grabbing anyone of them between rounds 2-4. We saw what we have backing up at the safety spot. It's not pretty.

And I would take Warmack over Cooper in a heartbeat. Not that I don't like Cooper, but warmack is just a monster. Freakishly strong combined with great technique. You will rarely see this guy get pushed back by a defensive lineman. It would be nice having an actual pocket for Tony to be able to step up into. Not to mention Warmack is head and shoulders above any other olineman in this class as a run blocker.

[robert70x7]

Originally Posted by tm1119

I wouldn't call this safety class weak at all. It lacks the elite top talent like a Berry or Earl Thomas, but there definitely is a lot of talent there. Vaccaro, Elam, Rambo, Reid, McDonald, Jefferson and Lester have all been playmakers at big schools. Not saying all are going to be studs but I wouldn't mind grabbing anyone of them between rounds 2-4. We saw what we have backing up at the safety spot. It's not pretty.

You forgot Shawn Williams, who I like a lot as well. I'm glad you clarified rounds 2-4, I just don't like when Vaccaro is linked to us in the first.

[RS12]

Originally Posted by robert70x7

Why OLB over OL?

Spencer status is iffy, Ware on the wrong side of 30 and may already be slowing down. Hatcher is on the wrong side of 30 as well. I see a guy like Ansah who they may see as a JPP or Watt type and not be able to resist, quick twitch and long limbed. Pass rushers are like pitching in baseball and shooter in basketball, can never have enough.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

It's early but I think I like the North Carolina guard a little better right now.

I like Jonathan Cooper. I think Cooper has a lot of upside but he may not be as ready as others.

Warmack I think is a little overrated. He is pretty sluggish and doesn't look like he'll have any success blocking at the 2nd level in the NFL.

I would be happy with either Cooper or Warmack.

I don't think it's unreasonable to say that Cooper could be a better NFL player. Warmack is definitely stronger, but Cooper has elite quickness.

[kirkjrk]

Originally Posted by Rack Bauer

BPA of a position of need.

Which will likely either be Guard or DT/NG.


I'm hoping Warmack falls to us.

Absolutely Agree.

[Manwiththeplan]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

I would use that pick on the top talent available and not care where he plays on the field.

And if the top talent on the board is a WR or a MLB you take one?