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HoustonFrog · 12-10-2012

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Originally Posted by a_minimalist

Maybe you should coach the Cowboys since you know so much? Something tells me you actually think you could do a better job.

No, not at all. But there is nothing wrong with rationally discussing the teams shortcomings and offensive game planning has been an elephant in the room all year. It was when he was O coordinator. We wait until late to open it up. Have the first 3 quarters the last 3 games escaped you or are you too busy here trying to be condescending to people?

InmanRoshi · 12-10-2012

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Originally Posted by Idgit

Surrealists.

Reading this board is like drinking DMT by the gallon while reading Naked Lunch with Brazil on mute on in the background with Trout Mask Replica playing over it on infinite loop.

CATCH17 · 12-10-2012

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Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

It's amazing how supposed "realists" think Dallas should just march into a 7-5 teams backyards and beat them by 3 TDs with Robert Calloway, Ernie Simms, Sterling Moore and Eric Frampton playing on defense simply because they're the Cowboys.

Talk about seeing the talent of the team on the field through silver and blue tinted glasses.

I said last week I thought they would win. I didn't think we'd smash them but I felt like we would win.

It's not about that though. It's obvious throughout the game Garrett does a lot of things that make things harder for us to win. He gets bailed out by players making plays.

I want a coach that puts us in a position to win. I don't want a crappy Oline not ever getting help from a playcaller. I just know there are much better ways to run an offense and manage a game.

**Idgit** · 12-10-2012

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Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Reading this board is like drinking DMT by the gallon while reading Naked Lunch with Brazil on mute on in the background with Trout Mask Replica playing over it on infinite loop.

Actual lol. Nicely done!

**Idgit** · 12-10-2012

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Originally Posted by CATCH17

I said last week I thought they would win. I didn't think we'd smash them but I felt like we would win.

It's not about that though. It's obvious throughout the game Garrett does a lot of things that make things harder for us to win. He gets bailed out by players making plays.

I want a coach that puts us in a position to win. I don't want a crappy Oline not ever getting help from a playcaller. I just know there are much better ways to run an offense and manage a game.

Has Garrett gotten bailed out by his players, then, more than Coughlin has this season? Shanahan? Andy Reid? I'll keep asking until someone answers. Because those are some pretty good coaches, with some pretty good rosters, playing similar schedules this season, and only Reid has had to deal with a comparable injury situation. And they're all looking fairly 7-6 ish to me while playing these other good teams. When does the coaching advantage pay off, exactly?

tecolote · 12-10-2012

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Originally Posted by Risen Star

Man are you off base. I didn't say coaching doesn't matter. I'm saying good coaching doesn't matter when the talent is bad.

If I need to be blunt, no coach on this planet can run the offense we all want to see with this slop along the offensive line. Nobody. Talent matters. Blaming the coaching is a cop out. Remember how Bill Callahan was going to come in here and improve the OL? How'd that work out? He can't because he doesn't have the pieces to do it. Like Houck before him. And until that gets addressed no intelligent football fan should expect an effective offense in Dallas.

Upgrade the OL in the offseason and watch how much Garrett has "improved" as a coach next year. It'll be amazing to see. He finally gets it now.

There are somethings coaches can do regardless of talent and schemes and what not, I'm talking about game managment, knowing when to challenge or when to call a timeout. A good coach knows when to do these things and in today's NFL that can result in a win or a loss, and that means the difference between staying home and going to the playoffs.

I mean think about it, this year we had two games that came down to exactly that, the Baltimore game and the 2nd Giant game, first not trying to get a closer fg in windy Baltimore and then the 2nd and 1 debacle in the Giants game, if both of these were handled correctly we more than likely would have 2 more wins with a sweep of the Giants. That's the playoffs right there, and the same thing happened last year.

And it is much harder to upgrade the OL than it is to do the coach.

Anyway, I hope the Cowboys win out and this is all for not.

Joe Realist · 12-10-2012

agree 100%

Manwiththeplan · 12-10-2012

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Originally Posted by Risen Star

Upgrade the OL in the offseason and watch how much Garrett has "improved" as a coach next year. It'll be amazing to see. He finally gets it now.

you sir, get one of these

InmanRoshi · 12-10-2012

In their previous 4 games the Bengals defense had held their opponents 13, 10, 6, 13 points. They completely embarrassed Eli. If you thought we were going to just march in Cincy and just easily hang 30 up on them, you haven't been watching many Bengal games. They told Brennamen and Billick they were going to take away Dez and Witten and make the Cowboys beat them another way. That game had all the makings of an ugly AFC North slugfest that would be decided on a critical turnover, and that's exactly what it turned out to be.

cowboys2233 · 12-10-2012

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Originally Posted by CATCH17

I'd rather have Garrett over Gruden.

Gruden is a better head coach but his offensive scheming is just as miserable.

Me too -- for me, it's either Garrett stays or we get Sean Payton in here. I like the idea that Garrett is part of the family, but Payton has pretty close ties here too.

arglebargle · 12-10-2012

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Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Reading this board is like drinking DMT by the gallon while reading Naked Lunch with Brazil on mute on in the background with Trout Mask Replica playing over it on infinite loop.

That's hilarious! Though I would vote for Doc at the Radar Station instead.....

InmanRoshi · 12-10-2012

Cowboys have the 2nd highest 3rd down conversion% and 6th highest 4th down conversion% ... so someone must be dialing up some good playcalls at some critical times, despite Thom Brenneman's amazing and invaluable football observations.

Oh_Canada · 12-10-2012

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Originally Posted by mldardy

Yeah let's try running a couple more plays where a penalty or turnover happens.

I can guarantee you if that had happened Garrett wouldn't have heard the end of it from you and especially the media. Garrett got them close enough that he felt confident in his kicker to make it from that distance and not have any time left for the Bengals. In that situation, you trust your kicker that's what he's paid to do is to make kicks like that.

Amen.
Big difference between wasting 22 seconds against a defense you were shredding and settling for a 51 yd fg than a much higher percentage 40 yd fg. Especially when you consider the Bengals were meeting the running back in the backfield a majority of the game.

Heisenberg · 12-10-2012

If you haven't seen it, here's Garrett's postgame:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/dallas-cow...ess-conference

a_minimalist · 12-10-2012

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Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

No, not at all. But there is nothing wrong with rationally discussing the teams shortcomings and offensive game planning has been an elephant in the room all year. It was when he was O coordinator. We wait until late to open it up. Have the first 3 quarters the last 3 games escaped you or are you too busy here trying to be condescending to people?

I'm too busy trying to be condescending to people like you