JJT: Jay Ratliff has become a liability for Cowboys

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by junk

Why would you have franchised him?

He still had 2 years left on his deal when Dallas gave him the extension. I believe it would have been 2011 and 2012.

So, you could have just let him play out his original contract if you were going to let him walk after this season.

I just never understood the contract extension unless it was a reward for outperforming his previous deal.

I mentioned above, I should have said 'play out the balance of the contract and then franchise him if you wanted another year and he was still playing at a high level.' But the point's the same: I agree, the Ratliff extension was a mistake.

[Frozen700]

This hasn't hit nflnetwork..or espn?

[stasheroo]

Originally Posted by Idgit

I wasn't a fan of extending Rat...I'd have franchised him and then let him walk this season, and I thought last season he'd really lost a step. At his age, DTs almost never continue to produce, much less get better after the significant elbow injury. You can't count on many players like LaRoi Glover justifying that second-contract premium on your roster after the body breaks down.

I'm with you here.

It was not a good move. I agree with everything you say above and would add this. Ratliff is very undersized for his position of 3-4 nose tackle, so the clock is ticking even moreso on his career because of that fact. Normal-sized 3'4 NT's take a beating, it's even more amplified when you're undersized.

That said, Rat was an absolute beast in limited action this year. I was pleasantly shocked how good he looked early on. I don't know what the stat line says for the games he played, but if he's back and healthy, we definitely need him. The only shot this team's got against good teams is to get ahead of them on the scoreboard and make teams one-dimensional, and then put pressure on their QBs. Rat could be huge in that regard if he's able to come back. Especially with Brees and RGIII coming up in a few weeks.

The numbers don't back that up at all.

He's got 16 total tackles (10 solo and 6 assists) and 1 pass defensed in the 6 games he played.

We differ in that I'm not holding out hope for the playoffs, so I would prefer to make long-term moves and decisions based on next year and the years following.

[craig71]

I don't think you can move forward with Ratliff after this year. IIRC his cap hit for 2013 is something like $7 million if he plays here. There is no way that Ratliff is worth 7$ million at this point in his career.

Craig

[tunahelper]

Get rid of Rat for more than just this reason. His play has declined, he is over paid and gets hurt too much. Time for his departure.

[ravidubey]

Originally Posted by Nirvana

Good teams use their cap money wisely. This is another good example of how there will be dead cap money on the books which prevent signing high quality players to the roster. Ratliff is on the way out.

And Free, too. If you look at his outrageous base salary next season there's no way the Cowboys can possibly keep him.

[BraveHeartFan]

This is the first time that I can remember that I've ever agreed with JJT.

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by stasheroo

The numbers don't back that up at all.

He's got 16 total tackles (10 solo and 6 assists) and 1 pass defensed in the 6 games he played.

Using boxscore stats in lieu of film study and grading to evaluate interior defensive line play is probably your first problem. Oh that's right, you don't really watch film. My bad.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

You never want a player counting $5.2 million against the salary cap and earning $2 million this season -- that's $117,647 per week -- to have more personal fouls than sacks.

I wonder if JJT had to get help dividing 2M by 17 on a calculator?

The local media hates Ratliff just like they hated Deion and some other past players that wouldn't play their game.

JJT = Idiot

[RamziD]

I'd really hate to create another hole on the roster by releasing Ratliff. He hasn't been our problem on DL.

[RamziD]

Originally Posted by RamziD

I'd really hate to create another hole on the roster by releasing Ratliff. He hasn't been our problem on DL.

Let me caveat that by saying I don't want to create a hole before the draft. Depending on how the offseason goes, his loss could be mitigated.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by Manwiththeplan

yea, if memory serves me correctly, he extended him coming off a sub par season.

If AdamJT13 is still around, I wonder how much Ratliff would count if we release him post june first. Him and Doug Free.

It appears that most or all of Ratliff's 2013 base salary is guaranteed. There is a thread or two that discusses it in detail.

[Double Trouble]

You don't give a nearly 30 yr old lineman a hefty new contract. That was a horrible mistake, and no matter how many times Jones has made it, he does it yet again.

[stasheroo]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Using boxscore stats in lieu of film study and grading to evaluate interior defensive line play is probably your first problem. Oh that's right, you don't really watch film. My bad.

Does 'the film' show sacks that don't exist?

If so, I'd get your film checked.

I'm not the overpaid guy with 6 games of no impact plays to show for it making $6 million a year while screaming at my boss.

So, I'm not the one with the 'problem'.

But you keep enjoyin' that 'film'!

Maybe if you squint hard enough, you'll see a big play?

And I'd save it if I were you, don't think you'll be getting too much more of it...

[LatinMind]

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich

Funny how there was a different tune when Ratliff came back and dominated before getting re-injured.

I think the team is suffering from him being injured, but we also are suffering from Costa, Murray, Lee, Carter, Scandrick and Church all being out as well. And they had better think twice now about what they are going to do if they release Ratliff given Brent's situation.






YR

True but it just has to happen. Ratliff has been injured way too much over the past couple yrs. Playing a posistion that usually requires a bigger body has taken its toll.