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UKCowboysFan · 12-12-2012

Excuse my ignorance of the laws, but are you saying that being caught driving under the influence of Alcohol doesn't lead to an automatic driving ban?

In the UK anyone caught over the limit (which is 80mg of alcohol per 100ml of blood), you are pretty much guaranteed a minimum 12 month ban (the ban gets longer the more over the limit you are).

Obviously people still do it, but at least there is an attempt at a deterrent.

One interesting thing over here (especially at this time of year), is the amount of people being stopped early in the morning, as the alcohol from the night before hasn't worked its way out of the system yet.

Denim Chicken · 12-12-2012

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Originally Posted by UKCowboysFan

Excuse my ignorance of the laws, but are you saying that being caught driving under the influence of Alcohol doesn't lead to an automatic driving ban?

In the UK anyone caught over the limit (which is 80mg of alcohol per 100ml of blood), you are pretty much guaranteed a minimum 12 month ban (the ban gets longer the more over the limit you are).

Obviously people still do it, but at least there is an attempt at a deterrent.

One interesting thing over here (especially at this time of year), is the amount of people being stopped early in the morning, as the alcohol from the night before hasn't worked its way out of the system yet.

It depends on the State, but it's a pretty safe bet that if convicted your not driving for a while.

BringBackThatOleTimeBoys · 12-12-2012

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Originally Posted by UKCowboysFan

Excuse my ignorance of the laws, but are you saying that being caught driving under the influence of Alcohol doesn't lead to an automatic driving ban?

In the UK anyone caught over the limit (which is 80mg of alcohol per 100ml of blood), you are pretty much guaranteed a minimum 12 month ban (the ban gets longer the more over the limit you are).

Obviously people still do it, but at least there is an attempt at a deterrent.

One interesting thing over here (especially at this time of year), is the amount of people being stopped early in the morning, as the alcohol from the night before hasn't worked its way out of the system yet.

This brings up an interesting point: DUI is less of a problem in Europe than America. Why?

Denim Chicken · 12-12-2012

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Originally Posted by BringBackThatOleTimeBoys

This brings up an interesting point: DUI is less of a problem in Europe than America. Why?

Better mass transit in UK.

tomson75 · 12-12-2012

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Better mass transit in UK.

...that's pretty easy to do when the entire Island can fit inside the state of Michigan.

BringBackThatOleTimeBoys · 12-12-2012

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Better mass transit in UK.

Definitely a factor but bet there is more.

vta · 12-12-2012

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Originally Posted by BringBackThatOleTimeBoys

This brings up an interesting point: DUI is less of a problem in Europe than America. Why?

Where is this stat from?

BringBackThatOleTimeBoys · 12-12-2012

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Where is this stat from?

I heard it before the internet - probably was in Reader's Digest.

It did not take much Googling to find some interesting links

Denim Chicken · 12-12-2012

Anyway, they're coming pretty close to perfecting self-driving cars, so in about 20 years no more DUI problems.

vta · 12-12-2012

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Originally Posted by BringBackThatOleTimeBoys

I heard it before the internet - probably was in Reader's Digest.

It did not take much Googling to find some interesting links

I'm not looking to argue, I just wanted to see what kind of data would support the idea.

I can't see comparing a group of multiple countries to one, especially when that one has a population that is almost half of all of those nations combined.

BringBackThatOleTimeBoys · 12-12-2012

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Anyway, they're coming pretty close to perfecting self-driving cars, so in about 20 years no more DUI problems.

Great if it happens, but it could go the way of the flying car predictions. And in the meantime, a drunk kills an American every hour.

BringBackThatOleTimeBoys · 12-12-2012

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I'm not looking to argue, I just wanted to see what kind of data would support the idea.

I can't see comparing a group of multiple countries to one, especially when that one has a population that is almost half of all of those nations combined.

So far, it looks like Europe in general deals with it better. Officers are allowed to do breathlyzer checks there.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...025301,00.html

vta · 12-12-2012

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Originally Posted by BringBackThatOleTimeBoys

So far, it looks like Europe in general deals with it better. Officers are allowed to do breathlyzer checks there.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...025301,00.html

Actually it doesn't. Taking a nation by nation approach to what steps they take doesn't at all suggest drunk driving is a greater problem for the U.S. than for Europe.

In fact if you look at your own Bloomberg linked article, you'll see the numbers aren't even close.

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Deaths caused by drunk driving represent about 20 percent of road-accident fatalities in the European Union, which aims to reduce the total annual fatalities to 25,000 within four years from 41,600 in 2005. The two other main causes of road-accident deaths are driving too fast and failing to wear a seatbelt.

They're hoping to drop from 41000.+ to 25000 in four years.

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In 2006, there were 16,005 drunk driving deaths in the U.S. There are eight drunk driving fatalities involving teens every day. Driving while intoxicated is extremely dangerous. It can be lethal. Something must be done to stem the tide of drunk driving deaths.

Source

These articles you're citing are generally comparing nations with less than 10,000,000 people to one with 300,000,000. It doesn't really work.

Denim Chicken · 12-12-2012

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Great if it happens, but it could go the way of the flying car predictions. And in the meantime, a drunk kills an American every hour.

10,000/year--that's really not alot considering other causes of death.

Major cardiovascular diseases 780,624
Diabetes 68,705
Suicide 36,909
Accidental poisoning 31,758
Falls 24,792
Homicide 16,799

vta · 12-12-2012

This link shows a wild jump for the U.S. in 2009.

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In 2009 over 33,808 people have died in alcohol-related collisions in the United States according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). In the US that is over 32% of the total traffic deaths, that is 4 out of every 100,000 people, on average someone is killed in an alcohol-impaired driving crash about every 50 minutes. In 2003 NHTSA reported 275,000 people were injured in alcohol related accidents. In 1996, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, local law enforcement agencies made an nationwide estimate of 1,467,300 arrests for driving under the influence of alcohol.

That seems a pretty incredible jump on things, but who am I to argue?