Waiters and Waitresses Deserve Good Holiday Tips

[dargonking999]

Originally Posted by OklahomaCowboy88

They get paid well already. I speak for experience. Yes, its hard work. Yes, I generally tip well. But only if its warranted, and it being the holidays or holiday season isn't going to prompt me to tip more than usual. Nor should you.

I can attest through experience that 2.13 /hr is not getting paid well...

[tomson75]

Originally Posted by Teren_Kanan

Haha found this one one of those links. Replacy Calgarypuck with Cowboyzone and it's 100% accurate as well.

On calgarypuck, there was a light-hearted flame war about the practices of tipping in restaurants. Everything was going standard to plan; those who couldn't think very well had the loudest, and most hilarious reasons on why tipping isn't successful, while those with a moderate intelligence/restaurant experience argued the necessity of tipping for the restaurant industry.
Nothing could prepare the message board for what happened next.
In one of the most mind boggling first posts ever, Spings1 exploded onto the scene. CP had no idea whether to laugh or shudder in fear. This woman's ideas of how the service industry operated were akin to the genius of Hawking’s, her debate skills surpassing any level Hitchen’s could dream of achieving, and her mastery of capitalization would make even Rob Leifeld blush.

[View Full Quote]While at first, the collective masses assumed that Springs1 rant was an isolated case, details began to emerge from abyss.
Initially, an article was discovered where she had relayed her brilliant critique from 2009.
http://www.ndarkness.com/mandi/blog/...ts-of-tipping/

And then more began to appear, now from 2007
http://priceovercharges.blogspot.ca/...ercharges.html

The collective intelligence was shattered when this was discovered:
http://springs1.livejournal.com/

A journal that dates back until 2005

This was no isolated incident. Springs1 has been on a crusade against the service industry for nearly seven years; searching food service threads on Google to shatter our perception of food wisdom, in much the same way that Godzilla decimates Tokyo to help raise awareness for the fallout of nucleaur waste. She registed at Calgarypuck SPECIFICALLY to unleash her wisdom on this single subject. By googling it. Who knows how many other threads on the internet are at the mercy of this at exactly the same time?

This, ladies and gentlemen, is why the internet was invented. This is everything we've ever hoped to accomplish, in one small thread.

The magic begins here, on page 7

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...=116550&page=7


Though at this point I'm confident that Springs1 is just a character created by some person for some version of internet fame. Absolute 100% trolling, and doing an amazing job of it. As a troll, the person really is brilliant, and dedicated.



They get paid well already? You mean tip + wages right? And define "well", and what type of restaurant you are referring to.

'cause Saying servers get paid well sounds very ignorant, but it depends on your point of view of what a good salary is.

Sorry about the hijack Hos.

I'm in full agreement, btw. I don't make much money, but when I choose to have someone else serve me, I make damn sure they're compensated nicely.

[AmarilloCowboyFan]

Originally Posted by OklahomaCowboy88

They get paid well already. I speak for experience. Yes, its hard work. Yes, I generally tip well. But only if its warranted, and it being the holidays or holiday season isn't going to prompt me to tip more than usual. Nor should you.

They do not get paid well. I would guess you have never waited a table in your life.

[tomson75]

Originally Posted by AmarilloCowboyFan

They do not get paid well. I guess you have never waited a table in your life.

That isn't always true.

How much waitstaff is paid outside of tipping depends upon the establishment, location, and type of patronage they serve (and in some cases what you look like). I've worked at places where I bartended for $2.50/hr, and my take home was very much dependent upon tips. I've known others that have worked at places that pay their staff almost $10/hr, and they would be able to take home a little something even if the tips were poor. I have friends that are in their 30s, still waiting and bartending, and pulling in six figure incomes. I have other friends that are below the poverty line in the same line of work.

How much servers makes depends mostly on where they work. Highly experienced waitstaff at better restaurants, B&Bs, or the like can make excellent money on minimal numbers of patrons, while other have to slew a ton of fried food and brew to equal that take home income....but both can make a living.

Other places can be near impossible for servers to make a living...

[dargonking999]

Originally Posted by tomson75

That isn't always true.

How much waitstaff is paid outside of tipping depends upon the establishment. I've worked at places where I bartended for $2.50/hr, and my take home was very much dependent open tips. I've known others that have worked at places that pay their staff almost $10/hr, and they would be able to take home a little something even if the tips were poor.

How much servers makes depends mostly on where they work. Highly experienced waitstaff at better restaurants, B&Bs, or the like can make excellent money on minimal numbers of patrons, while other have to slew a ton of fried food and brew to equal that take home income....but both can make a living.

Other places can be near impossible for servers to make a living...

an Ihop in the afternoon/night surronded by three high schools, and a college filled with ignorant poor people, fits that description nicely

[Teren_Kanan]

As for the OP, I've already been getting some "Happy Holidays" bigger tips. Love those people.

As a server you deal with so many disgusting human beings that just the simple extra little kindness shown to you means 10x more than the few dollars more you might be getting from them.

Sometimes that extra tip and a general acknowledgment from another person can completely turn your mood around.

[Meat-O-Rama]

Originally Posted by Teren_Kanan

Sometimes that extra tip and a general acknowledgment from another person can completely turn your mood around.

This.

I don't expect my larger tip is going to change a servers financial future. But I know that I am not going to miss that extra couple bucks I leave as a tip, while at the same time getting a tip above and beyond can really brighten someones day, if only a little.

[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by OklahomaCowboy88

They get paid well already. I speak for experience. Yes, its hard work. Yes, I generally tip well. But only if its warranted, and it being the holidays or holiday season isn't going to prompt me to tip more than usual. Nor should you.

Most waiters/waitresses make 2.83 an hour.. that's considered being "paid well" by you?

[ethiostar]

Originally Posted by tomson75

That isn't always true.

How much waitstaff is paid outside of tipping depends upon the establishment, location, and type of patronage they serve (and in some cases what you look like). I've worked at places where I bartended for $2.50/hr, and my take home was very much dependent upon tips. I've known others that have worked at places that pay their staff almost $10/hr, and they would be able to take home a little something even if the tips were poor. I have friends that are in their 30s, still waiting and bartending, and pulling in six figure incomes. I have other friends that are below the poverty line in the same line of work.

How much servers makes depends mostly on where they work. Highly experienced waitstaff at better restaurants, B&Bs, or the like can make excellent money on minimal numbers of patrons, while other have to slew a ton of fried food and brew to equal that take home income....but both can make a living.

[View Full Quote]Other places can be near impossible for servers to make a living...

^^^^^
Yep, this.

I worked in the business for over a decade in may capacities, e.g., waiter, bartender, and manager.

If my dining experience is poor, most of the time, I'm able to figure out where the problem comes from. It could be an issue with the cooks, waiter, expediter, hostess, manager, or just the fact that it was a very busy day and they were under staffed. In other words, I simply don't blame my waiter for everything.

I am a very generous tipper. Having said that, I have very litter tolerance for poor service due to lazy, impolite, inattentive, and careless waiters.

[REDVOLUTION]

This thread always gets hairy.


Adequate service = appropriate % tip

Really good service = a little extra

Outstanding service = I have double down


Sheety service = I have left $1 or nothing and a few times told them so.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by tomson75

Sorry about the hijack Hos.

I'm in full agreement, btw. I don't make much money, but when I choose to have someone else serve me, I make damn sure they're compensated nicely.

What hijack. I was calling it. I am sad it didn't show up.

[Reality]

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

Most waiters/waitresses make 2.83 an hour.. that's considered being "paid well" by you?

How do employers pay them less than minimum wage like that? Most waiters and waitresses I have known make minimum wage and rely heavily on tips to complete their deserved salary. I am just curious how employers can get around the minimum wage requirements. That's a little disturbing quite honestly.

/reality

[gambit187]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I really appreciate waiters and waitresses and how hard they work. If you take your family out to eat this holiday season remember to tip well and let them know you do appreciate their often thankless service for a tough job.

I never ever leave a bad tip, I dont care if my service was lousy or not. I will always leave more then the normal because I dont know if that person is having a bad day or not. In my heart of hearts I am allowing currency to flow like it should and making up for the ******* that didnt leave a good tip when their service warrented a good tip.

[rocboy22]

Originally Posted by Reality

How do employers pay them less than minimum wage like that? Most waiters and waitresses I have known make minimum wage and rely heavily on tips to complete their deserved salary. I am just curious how employers can get around the minimum wage requirements. That's a little disturbing quite honestly.

/reality

I think the labor laws vary by state, and some allow lower than minimum wages for servers due to the expectation that tips will make up the difference, and they will still make actual minimum wage or higher.

[vta]

Originally Posted by Hostile

What hijack. I was calling it. I am sad it didn't show up.