How about another trade up?

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by robert70x7

Spinal stenosis, look it up. Has cut short and ended many football careers.

yeah I know what it is but the guy can play and it hasn't slowed him yet.
But if that makes him slip then I would be happy to take him

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by RS12

Jones has a neck issue, i think narrow, cpuld fall and be a big risk.

Is Jarvis Jones that much better than the other top guys like D. Moore and B. Werner? Is Jones a fit a Spencer's position of 3-4 OLB? At 6-4, Moore and Werner seem more like the prototypes at that position compared to Jones at 6-2.

[burmafrd]

I would only trade up for a shot at a TOP pass rusher. No one else. And NOT for a guy with a medical condition

[Manwiththeplan]

Originally Posted by xwalker

Is Jarvis Jones that much better than the other top guys like D. Moore and B. Werner? Is Jones a fit a Spencer's position of 3-4 OLB? At 6-4, Moore and Werner seem more like the prototypes at that position compared to Jones at 6-2.

both Woodley and Harrison are sub 6'3.

so was adalius thomas and Elvis Dumervill.

6'2 is the prototype, while guys like Ware and Aldon Smith have exceptional height.

[kirkjrk]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Hey, you know how when the Cowboys made their trade up for Claiborne everybody said they were really happy about it but just never figured it was an option so that's why they never really talked about Morris?

Let's prevent that this time. What player, if any, would you be okay with seeing the Cowboys make another similar trade up for? We're talking losing your 2nd round pick again to get into the top 10.

For me, if we had to, it would be Damontre Moore.

[IAmLegend]

This guy. I know you guys probably think I'm crazy but I think he's going to be damn good. Reminds me a lot of Aaron Rodgers coming out of Cal. Both 6'3, athletic QB's who are pocket passers and can move around the pocket and make plays on the run. Great mechanics and his strongest skill is his accuracy. Mold him behind Romo for 2-3 years, much like Green Bay did with Rodgers and Favre, and he could be one of the best in the league in 3-4 years. Plus, he's Garrett's kind of guy: Classy individual who's a film room junky and has a high football IQ. If the Chiefs pass on him for some reason, Arizona won't and I'd love to see him in Dallas. Trade up and grab him. If you have an opportunity to grab a franchise QB, you do it, no matter what. Draft him, then use the other picks on O-Line/D-Line and sign free agent S Jairus Byrd from Buffalo. That'd be an amazing offseason.

[CopenhagenCowboy]

Originally Posted by kirkjrk

For me, if we had to, it would be Damontre Moore.

Same here. But I wouldn't do it.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by Manwiththeplan

both Woodley and Harrison are sub 6'3.

so was adalius thomas and Elvis Dumervill.

6'2 is the prototype, while guys like Ware and Aldon Smith have exceptional height.

That's a good point and a good set of players that you named for comparison. Let's review those players in more detail:

Jarvis Jones 6-2, 242

R2-14 LaMarr Woodley 6-2, 266
R4-29 Elvis Dumervil 6-0, 257
R6-20 Adalius Thomas 6-2.5, 270
UDFA James Harrison 6-0, 242

R1-7 Aldon Smith 6-4, 263
R1-11 DeMarcus Ware 6-4, 251


On a side note, Adalius Thomas was a complete freak.
6-2.5, 270, 4.56 forty, 1.60 10-yard, 38.5 vert

For comparison, that's better than Mark Barron's 10-yard time of 1.63.

[respectdatstar]

Originally Posted by IAmLegend

[View Full Quote]This guy. I know you guys probably think I'm crazy but I think he's going to be damn good. Reminds me a lot of Aaron Rodgers coming out of Cal. Both 6'3, athletic QB's who are pocket passers and can move around the pocket and make plays on the run. Great mechanics and his strongest skill is his accuracy. Mold him behind Romo for 2-3 years, much like Green Bay did with Rodgers and Favre, and he could be one of the best in the league in 3-4 years. Plus, he's Garrett's kind of guy: Classy individual who's a film room junky and has a high football IQ. If the Chiefs pass on him for some reason, Arizona won't and I'd love to see him in Dallas. Trade up and grab him. If you have an opportunity to grab a franchise QB, you do it, no matter what. Draft him, then use the other picks on O-Line/D-Line and sign free agent S Jairus Byrd from Buffalo. That'd be an amazing offseason.

What other picks? We won't have anything left after trading up.

[Manwiththeplan]

Originally Posted by xwalker

Jarvis Jones 6-2, 242

R2-14 LaMarr Woodley 6-2, 266
R4-29 Elvis Dumervil 6-0, 257
R6-20 Adalius Thomas 6-2.5, 270
UDFA James Harrison 6-0, 242

R1-7 Aldon Smith 6-4, 263
R1-11 DeMarcus Ware 6-4, 251

Didn't Von Miller measure in at 6'2.5?

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by Manwiththeplan

Didn't Von Miller measure in at 6'2.5?

Yes, but they have basically created a special position for him. He is pass-rushing 4-3 OLB, which is very rare.

[Manwiththeplan]

Originally Posted by xwalker

Yes, but they have basically created a special position for him. He is pass-rushing 4-3 OLB, which is very rare.

that's not true. Bruce Irvin, Rosevelt Coleman, Derrick Thomas and Peter Boulware are all guys who did the same thing, so Denver didn't create anything.

Not sure what point you're trying to make, 6'2 clearly is big enough to play 3-4 OLB and his production warrants him being taken that high.

[RS12]

Originally Posted by Manwiththeplan

that's not true. Bruce Irvin, Rosevelt Coleman, Derrick Thomas and Peter Boulware are all guys who did the same thing, so Denver didn't create anything.

Not sure what point you're trying to make, 6'2 clearly is big enough to play 3-4 OLB and his production warrants him being taken that high.

People are way too wrapped up in measurements and ideals. Give me a guy that can play. Dree Brees is about 5-10 (listed at 6-0), I am pretty sure at least 25 teams would take him.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by Manwiththeplan

that's not true. Bruce Irvin, Rosevelt Coleman, Derrick Thomas and Peter Boulware are all guys who did the same thing, so Denver didn't create anything.

Not sure what point you're trying to make, 6'2 clearly is big enough to play 3-4 OLB and his production warrants him being taken that high.

My point is that 3-4 teams rarely if ever draft a 6-2 OLB in the top 10. It would be much a safer pick for a 4-3 team to draft J. Jones and play him in a role similar to Von Miller. It seems especially questionable with Bjoern Werner and Damontre Moore available.

Derrick Thomas played in a 3-4 and Bruce Irvin was drafted after Von Miller. The Ravens moved to a 3-4 while Boulware was on the team.

I would have different opinion if we were not talking about the top 10. I was highly in favor of the Cowboys drafting Bruce Irvin last year IF he was available in the 2nd round or even if they had to trade up into the late 1st. I didn't think he was a perfect fit for the Cowboys scheme, but he was a special athlete. Irvin's burst is the best I ever seen.

[Manwiththeplan]

Originally Posted by RS12

People are way too wrapped up in measurements and ideals. Give me a guy that can play. Dree Brees is about 5-10 (listed at 6-0), I am pretty sure at least 25 teams would take him.

Normally, I'm big on measurements.

I'm very skeptical on Chance Warmack because he's only 6'2 and am afraid he measure in at 6'1.5 or something.

However, there are plenty of successful players at Jones' position and height