Connecticut shooting ***Do NOT post about gun laws***

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

Nope.

There is no smple solution.

If they can't get at the kids in schools, then maybe the public library or at the mall (which has already been done).

The problem needs to be attacked aother way or ways.

Or even on a military base such as the 2009 Ft. Hood shooting.

I agree, there are no simple solutions to these complex issues.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Originally Posted by DallasCowpoke

Where does it say in that article his parents gave him the gun to take?

well, they had the gun at home in a place where an eleven year old was able to get it with ease so either they gave it to him or were grossly negligent in not storing the gun properly so that an eleven year could not access it easily.

[joseephuss]

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/12...2x4-83271.html

Christopher Johnson walks into Va. Sandy Hook school with 2X4

A man walked into northern Virginia's Sandy Hook Elementary School on Wednesday with a 2-by-4 printed with the words "High Powered Rifle" and was quickly subdued by a school resource officer, the sheriff's office said.

Christopher G. Johnson, 33, did not resist arrest and was attempting to deliver a message "related to school safety," said Maj. Scott Proctor of the Shenandoah Sheriff's Department.

[Vtwin]

Perhaps a more effective message would have been sent had someone shot the moron.

[Heisenberg]

Originally Posted by Faerluna

From a piece I had seen and reposted on Facebook that was written by a Police Chief somewhere. While I find it all relevant, the practical application of change that is actually doable, I've bolded:

This actually makes sense. I'm not sure why this isn't standard.

[DIAF]

Originally Posted by StarMan

There should be a full-time, armed police officer at every school in the country.

Uh, no. What a terrible idea. You want to put 1 officer, with 1 gun in a crowd of hundereds of kids? All it would take is a couple of them (more if younger) to subdue the officer and all of a sudden you've got kids with the officer's weapon. And god forbid the weapon ever get seperated from the officer on accident.

School shootings are tragic, but rare instances. but I'd say the odds go up higher if you've already put a gun in a school as defense. That's already half the equation for a disaster.

[Faerluna]

Originally Posted by Heisenberg

This actually makes sense. I'm not sure why this isn't standard.

Exactly. Even if you had to build a secure vestibule room at the front of every school it could be done easily.

Put in bulletproof glass, double security door, cameras and even a metal detector.

If someone really wanted to get in, I suppose they could shoot out a side window, like in a classroom, but that would be much harder to be stealthy and I'd imagine there would be fewer casualties overall.

[WoodysGirl]

Originally Posted by Faerluna

From a piece I had seen and reposted on Facebook that was written by a Police Chief somewhere. While I find it all relevant, the practical application of change that is actually doable, I've bolded:

I think my baby sister's school was set up similar to that. They had one door unlocked, but it led to the office, I believe. There was also a metal detector.

I just remember bringing her lunch one day and took forever to find an open door. And there was a metal detector.

But the suggestion to have a dedicated space cut off from the rest of the school is good in theory during school hours. But how would they manage it during sports events?

I'm a ref and while I only have to go to the gym, I do sometimes have to go through the school to get to it.

[jobberone]

Originally Posted by DIAF

Uh, no. What a terrible idea. You want to put 1 officer, with 1 gun in a crowd of hundereds of kids? All it would take is a couple of them (more if younger) to subdue the officer and all of a sudden you've got kids with the officer's weapon. And god forbid the weapon ever get seperated from the officer on accident.

School shootings are tragic, but rare instances. but I'd say the odds go up higher if you've already put a gun in a school as defense. That's already half the equation for a disaster.

I don't think even HS kids are going to take a gun from a police officer who I'd arm with pepper spray, mace and a taser along with the gun. There are already many many local police officers in schools across the nation already. I don't know the literature but I'd guess there has never been an officer disarmed by kids at school.

We don't normally put officers in schools with young kids though. I'm not certain how much money it would cost to do that. However, we have guards in every bank yada so I'd like to hear more about this. Beefing security by way of securing the building to insulate the kids is a great idea as well.

[Manwiththeplan]

Originally Posted by Faerluna

From a piece I had seen and reposted on Facebook that was written by a Police Chief somewhere. While I find it all relevant, the practical application of change that is actually doable, I've bolded:

That's not a real solution imo. How long before someone just waits in the parking lot and starts spraying once school kids are outside the door?

School security isn't the problem

[dogberry]

$40,000 for one security guard at an elementary school for one year.

600 kids at the school.

$70 year for security.

Less than one percent of total spending per student.

Cost maybe off, are haircuts still $1.25?

[Manwiththeplan]

Originally Posted by jobberone

I don't think even HS kids are going to take a gun from a police officer who I'd arm with pepper spray, mace and a taser along with the gun. There are already many many local police officers in schools across the nation already. I don't know the literature but I'd guess there has never been an officer disarmed by kids at school.

We don't normally put officers in schools with young kids though. I'm not certain how much money it would cost to do that. However, we have guards in every bank yada so I'd like to hear more about this. Beefing security by way of securing the building to insulate the kids is a great idea as well.

yea, a can't see a bunch of unarmed HS kids getting the drop on a cop. Not to mention the people that do these things aren't that bold, they put them selves in situation where people fear them, not where there is someone who can stop them.

[Dallas]

Hey don't forget about attacks in school with knives!! How will I spread my butter if you takes dem fromz me?



http://www.keystosaferschools.com/Mo...bing050701.htm


Notice the similarities in batt-crazyness both perps in all of these crazy crimes have. Huh.....odd...so they are all crazy but we ignore that part of it. More Adderall for those types. Pump them full of speed and see what happens.

[Faerluna]

Originally Posted by WoodysGirl

But how would they manage it during sports events?
I'm a ref and while I only have to go to the gym, I do sometimes have to go through the school to get to it.

Originally Posted by Manwiththeplan

That's not a real solution imo. How long before someone just waits in the parking lot and starts spraying once school kids are outside the door?

School security isn't the problem

Obviously there will never be the perfect solution. But this one thing seemed feasible to implement for all schools with relative ease. The idea being not to find an idea that completely eliminates all possible scenarios, but one that prevents particular attacks that are more common (the school day) than others (like sporting events where there would be more of an adult presence and less huge groups of kids than the regular day).

Of course you could come up with a bunch of contingency events (waiting outside to kill kids as they leave) but there will never be a solution for things like that beyond being aware of who is hanging around the school parking lot, etc.

[JBond]

“We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.”

- Reagan

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

- Franklin

Harden the schools as discussed and allow qualified citizens to protect themselves and others from nut jobs.