Why doesn't Tebow play RB or FB?

[GusTheo]

Originally Posted by joseephuss

Look at Denver this year. Pretty much the same pieces. With a consistent QB threat they aren't just getting by in close wins, they are playing much better. That doesn't mean they win a Superbowl this year, but I think they are in better position than if they still had Tebow.

Except for the fact that Peyton Manning is, if not the best, one of the 2 best QBs to step on a football field in the last 30 years. The Broncos didn't just add some Joe Schmo.

Tebow is good enough to win in this league, he's shown he can. He might not be good enough to win with a ****ty team, but if he has a good team, he's certainly capable of leading them. He's responsible with the ball, brings a different dynamic, and is a hell of a worker. He might not be the best passer, but you bet your *** he'll do his homework and work on improving to no end. Tim Tebow is a football player, and quite frankly I'd take him on the Cowboys any day of the week. (Not to play QB, I'm more then happy with Tony)

And the way the Jets have gone about this entire situation is just awful and I'm glad they're being blasted it for it. They deserve the **** storm they are getting right now.

If they were smart, they would start Tebow these last 2 games and try and boost his trade value. A team like Arizona should be knocking on the Jets door the day the season ends.

[Ren]

Originally Posted by rcaldw

I'll say again, every time the kid has been given a legitimate chance he has done well. No one can dispute that. And if they do they have to try and explain away success. Telling.

Wonder how many games he would have won without that Denver D...

[Stryker44]

Originally Posted by Ren

Wonder how many games he would have won without that Denver D...

He was the only guy to throw for over 300 yards on the Steelers last season, but yeah.

I just think he got shafted by Elway telling him he'd be the starter going into training camp, and definitely by Rex Ryan.

[jobberone]

Maybe he could play FB but I wouldn't put him there. I would consider him as an F back/TE though. He's not fast but he has good cones. He could play some TE IMO. However, why not just get a TE with more size and/or speed. He's not a RB although he could probably get you 4 yards from a 3 yard hole. Someone without a QB should give the guy a chance. Jacksonville or AZ come to mind.

[JustDezIt]

Originally Posted by rcaldw

I get weary of the disrespect shown to Tebow. I also get weary of the nonsensical nature of it.

Tim Tebow has started 16 regular season games in the NFL. He started all 16 of those games on a team that was bad, hadn't made the playoffs in 5 years.

He went 9-7

He played a team in the playoffs that hadn't given up 300 passing yards in a game in forever.

NO ONE. No one gave him and that team a chance in that game.

They won, he threw for over 300 yards.

His career passer rating is higher than Mark Sanchez's. Not higher for a game or two. Higher over their career.

People can say all they want what he can't do. He can win regular season football games as a QB. He did. He can lead a team to the playoffs as a starting QB in the NFL. He did. He can win a playoff game as a starting NFL QB, he did.

[View Full Quote]Don't tell me what you think, because I'll tell you what he did.

I've heard all the excuses (for someone's success, which is strange). The defense, luck, a kicker, blah, blah blah.

All that stuff is lame. Does Terry Bradshaw win 4 Super Bowls without the Steel curtain? No.

Does Tom Brady win 2 of his 3 Super Bowls without a kicker that not only saved his skin in Super Bowls, but got him there (can you say Raiders playoff game in the snow?).

The game of football is a TEAM SPORT. Tebow has played his part of the puzzle well enough to do what I pointed out.

If I owned the Jacksonville Jaguars I would take him in a heart beat, hire a head coach that would build an offense around the guy and the way he plays football, and I guarantee that the team would be a winner as soon as the rest of the team improved.

Tebow in the backfield and Jones-Drew immediately becomes even better.

Makes me wonder why the team he is on and the NFL coaches that watch him every week would rather play McElroy.

[RXP]

The problem with Tebow is that he cannot run a pro style offense. Denver had to completely change to a college offense for Tebow to have any success.

The reason Rex Ryan passed over Tebow to McElroy is becuase Ryan is not prepared to completely change the offense that has been in place all year. And he knows Tebow can't run it. He has seen it in practice. So he is going to McElroy instead.

If Tebow wants to play QB, he needs to find a team ready to commit to running a college style offense. If he can't find one, he may be able to play QB in Canada.

Otherwise he will need to play a TE or something.

Two teams have seen him at QB and have decided to look elsewhere. That should tell him something.

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

You didn't make it through 2 sentences of your little monologue here without some bs. Its not the truth.

You conveniently ignore that the only shot Tebow had in the playoffs, he led his team to a win against the tough Steelers D, and the next game against the Pats the Broncos D let up 35 points in the first half and rendered Denver's chances in that game hopeless.

Its most certainly NOT a fact that Tebow couldn't take a team to the top though.

I didn't ignore anything. I said he could win regular season games and even win a playoff game, which he has done. I don't think he is good enough to take his team to a Superbowl unless that team is down right loaded with talent in all other areas. And as we all know few teams are perfect in every area. There are always going to be weaknesses. I for one don't one the QB to be one of the biggest weakness on my team and Tebow is more a weakness than a strength.

What BS? I said he isn't accurate. That is just fact. He only completed 46.5% of his passes. That can't even be categorized as average.

He had 11 starts last year and produced 217.2 yards per game. That too is not even considered average. Keep in mind, that is 217.2 yards including passing yards and rushing yards. His passing numbers were 157.2 yards per game. This is a passing league, so that isn't going to cut it.

You don't need to have the best QB in the league to win championships. If you have a very good all around team then you can get by with someone who isn't the top guy. Still you need a guy who is better than average and at least in the top half of the league. Tebow was not one of the top 16 QBs last season. If you don't have that then you better have an all time great defense to cover for his lack of production. As you pointed out and put all the blame on, the Broncos didn't have an all time great defense last year. The result was a blow out

And it is ridiculous when someone says that when Tebow gets a chance he produces as a way to insinuate that he isn't getting a chance now. He gets a chance every time he goes to team meetings and straps on the pads during practice. Those are his chances to show something to the coaches and staff. He fails.

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by RXP

The problem with Tebow is that he cannot run a pro style offense. Denver had to completely change to a college offense for Tebow to have any success.

The reason Rex Ryan passed over Tebow to McElroy is becuase Ryan is not prepared to completely change the offense that has been in place all year. And he knows Tebow can't run it. He has seen it in practice. So he is going to McElroy instead.

If Tebow wants to play QB, he needs to find a team ready to commit to running a college style offense. If he can't find one, he may be able to play QB in Canada.

Otherwise he will need to play a TE or something.

Two teams have seen him at QB and have decided to look elsewhere. That should tell him something.

If you put Tebow in Washington right now he would still struggle. They run a college style system, but he is not a good enough passer to be successful in it. He isn't accurate enough.

[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by joseephuss

I didn't ignore anything. I said he could win regular season games and even win a playoff game, which he has done. I don't think he is good enough to take his team to a Superbowl unless that team is down right loaded with talent in all other areas. And as we all know few teams are perfect in every area. There are always going to be weaknesses. I for one don't one the QB to be one of the biggest weakness on my team and Tebow is more a weakness than a strength.

What BS? I said he isn't accurate. That is just fact. He only completed 46.5% of his passes. That can't even be categorized as average.

He had 11 starts last year and produced 217.2 yards per game. That too is not even considered average. Keep in mind, that is 217.2 yards including passing yards and rushing yards. His passing numbers were 157.2 yards per game. This is a passing league, so that isn't going to cut it.

[View Full Quote]You don't need to have the best QB in the league to win championships. If you have a very good all around team then you can get by with someone who isn't the top guy. Still you need a guy who is better than average and at least in the top half of the league. Tebow was not one of the top 16 QBs last season. If you don't have that then you better have an all time great defense to cover for his lack of production. As you pointed out and put all the blame on, the Broncos didn't have an all time great defense last year. The result was a blow out

And it is ridiculous when someone says that when Tebow gets a chance he produces as a way to insinuate that he isn't getting a chance now. He gets a chance every time he goes to team meetings and straps on the pads during practice. Those are his chances to show something to the coaches and staff. He fails.

If he's not on the field.. he's not getting a chance. Its silly to suggest that he's getting chances right now in team meetings, etc.. lets be realistic here.

Was Miles Austin getting his chances before the injury that allowed him to finally see the field and show the coaches that he should have been on the field all along?

Honestly though, Tebow should be glad he's going to get a chance to move on from that pathetic organization. I wouldn't want to be the QB there anyway. Why trade for him if you don't think he's worth playing?

As much of a joke as people think the Cowboys are.. that's just ridiculous over there.

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

If he's not on the field.. he's not getting a chance. Its silly to suggest that he's getting chances right now in team meetings, etc.. lets be realistic here.

Was Miles Austin getting his chances before the injury that allowed him to finally see the field and show the coaches that he should have been on the field all along?

Honestly though, Tebow should be glad he's going to get a chance to move on from that pathetic organization. I wouldn't want to be the QB there anyway. Why trade for him if you don't think he's worth playing?

As much of a joke as people think the Cowboys are.. that's just ridiculous over there.

Miles should not have been on the field all along. He wasn't ready coming from a small school. He had a lot to learn. Same applies to Romo. He sat for 3 years for a reason. Sat behind some bad QBs because he still had things to learn at the NFL level. Coaches can see that when they talk to the guys in meetings and see them in practice. When Tebow can't hit open receivers in practice with no real pressure why would the coaches think he can do it in live action especially when his history shows he is inaccurate.

It is not silly to say team meetings count. If he can't show an understanding of the offensive system or scheme in a meeting room then that is not going to change on the field. The game has some critical mental aspects to it and discussing things in meetings is just as important as lifting weights and getting throwing reps in.

The Jets are the second team willing to cut him loose. That is telling. Peyton Manning isn't getting any younger. You figured the Broncos would have been happy to keep Tebow to learn behind Peyton, but they must be a pathetic organization as well.

[rcaldw]

At some point the people saying he can't do it are the silly ones.

Let me get this right. On a team that hadn't been to playoffs in 5 years and was 1-4 when he took over, he did ALL THE THINGS that people say he can't do.

He won regular season games 7-4

He won a playoff game against one of the top pass defenses in the league while throwing for over 300 yards. Setting an NFL record for a playoff game average yards per completion.

We are told all the things he CAN'T DO, when the only times he has been given opportunities HE HAS DONE IT.

it is silly.

Why is he not given then chance consistently? I have my own ideas about that, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter. What does matter is that I hope he gets that chance soon, and with a team that will give him a real chance.

[RXP]

Originally Posted by rcaldw

At some point the people saying he can't do it are the silly ones.

Let me get this right. On a team that hadn't been to playoffs in 5 years and was 1-4 when he took over, he did ALL THE THINGS that people say he can't do.

He won regular season games 7-4

He won a playoff game against one of the top pass defenses in the league while throwing for over 300 yards. Setting an NFL record for a playoff game average yards per completion.

We are told all the things he CAN'T DO, when the only times he has been given opportunities HE HAS DONE IT.

it is silly.

Why is he not given then chance consistently? I have my own ideas about that, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter. What does matter is that I hope he gets that chance soon, and with a team that will give him a real chance.

John Fox and Rex Ryan disagree with you. But what do they know?

And if you think he's not getting a chance to play because of his Christian beliefs, think again. Fox and Ryan would play Martians at QB if they thought it would help them win football games.

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by rcaldw

At some point the people saying he can't do it are the silly ones.

Let me get this right. On a team that hadn't been to playoffs in 5 years and was 1-4 when he took over, he did ALL THE THINGS that people say he can't do.

He won regular season games 7-4

He won a playoff game against one of the top pass defenses in the league while throwing for over 300 yards. Setting an NFL record for a playoff game average yards per completion.

We are told all the things he CAN'T DO, when the only times he has been given opportunities HE HAS DONE IT.

it is silly.

Why is he not given then chance consistently? I have my own ideas about that, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter. What does matter is that I hope he gets that chance soon, and with a team that will give him a real chance.

This isn't some grand conspiracy. He isn't good enough.

Funny how you are all for blaming the Broncos defense when they gave up 35 points to the Patriots in a loss, but won't credit them when they played very well during their winning streak last year. They also only gave up 7 points to the Chiefs in the 2011 season finale last year, but the Broncos lost because the great Tebow led them to 3 points. In an era when anything under 60% is considered inaccurate, Tebow is below 50%. Michael Vick is way more accurate and is not good enough to win a Superbow, yet he has won regular season games and playoff games.

[rcaldw]

Originally Posted by RXP

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcaldw

At some point the people saying he can't do it are the silly ones.

Let me get this right. On a team that hadn't been to playoffs in 5 years and was 1-4 when he took over, he did ALL THE THINGS that people say he can't do.

He won regular season games 7-4

He won a playoff game against one of the top pass defenses in the league while throwing for over 300 yards. Setting an NFL record for a playoff game average yards per completion.

We are told all the things he CAN'T DO, when the only times he has been given opportunities HE HAS DONE IT.

it is silly.

Why is he not given then chance consistently? I have my own ideas about that, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter. What does matter is that I hope he gets that chance soon, and with a team that will give him a real chance.

[View Full Quote]John Fox and Rex Ryan disagree with you. But what do they know?

And if you think he's not getting a chance to play because of his Christian beliefs, think again. Fox and Ryan would play Martians at QB if they thought it would help them win football games.

I don't care what they think they know when his performance contradicts what they think they know. I learned a long time ago that the so-called experts can be quite wrong. Where did the experts grade Brady coming out of the draft? or drew Pearson. or a whole host of others? Jim Plunkett was written off as finished before one team gave him a chance to resurrect his career.


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[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by rcaldw

I don't care what they think they know when his performance contradicts what they think they know. I learned a long time ago that the so-called experts can be quite wrong. Where did the experts grade Brady coming out of the draft? or drew Pearson. or a whole host of others? Jim Plunkett was written off as finished before one team gave him a chance to resurrect his career.


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What contradiction? He is not accurate at throwing the ball. He has done nothing to contradict that. He also doesn't have a grasp of making quick reads and decisions. That is a huge reason why he has a 10.2% sack percentage for his career. He holds the ball too long and takes sacks instead of finding the open receiver or getting the ball out to avoid sacks. Tony Romo for example has a 5.2% sack percentage for his career and 5.3% for this season. Peyton Manning has a 3.9% sack percentage in Denver. I don't see how is performance is contradicting anything.