Why doesn't Tebow play RB or FB?

[rcaldw]

Originally Posted by joseephuss

What contradiction? He is not accurate at throwing the ball. He has done nothing to contradict that. He also doesn't have a grasp of making quick reads and decisions. That is a huge reason why he has a 10.2% sack percentage for his career. He holds the ball too long and takes sacks instead of finding the open receiver or getting the ball out to avoid sacks. Tony Romo for example has a 5.2% sack percentage for his career and 5.3% for this season. Peyton Manning has a 3.9% sack percentage in Denver. I don't see how is performance is contradicting anything.

9-7 on a bad team
7-4 (after 1-4)
Playoff win over Pittsburgh, threw for over 300 yards

If you can't see a contradiction, stop seeing Jeff Triplett's eye doctor

By the way, do those QB's rush for 660 yards in a season? Its a different style.

In addition, he had the best QBR rating in the 4th quarter in the NFL last year.

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by rcaldw

9-7 on a bad team
7-4 (after 1-4)
Playoff win over Pittsburgh, threw for over 300 yards

If you can't see a contradiction, stop seeing Jeff Triplett's eye doctor

By the way, do those QB's rush for 660 yards in a season? Its a different style.

In addition, he had the best QBR rating in the 4th quarter in the NFL last year.

They lost 3 in a row to end the regular season, so no I don't see a contradiction

Those 660 rushing yards only help if he is producing somewhat decent passing numbers as well. Rushing yards can be a deadly compliment to a good passing game; however, he only averaged 157 passing yards per start last season. That is not good enough. No team wants to play that type of style. Romo doesn't need rushing yards to outproduce Tebow.

He was in the bottom third of QBs for passer rating and QBR last year.

You want to blame the "bad team" for all the losses and give Tebow all the credit for the wins. His "bad team" kept the games close in order for him to have success in the 4th quarter. That same "bad team" is still playing with Manning and playing at a much higher level with a real passing threat at the helm. Tebow has some value, but he also has some severe limitations. I wouldn't count on him winning a Superbowl unless I had a truly great defense, a strong offensive line and a terrific set of receiving threats.

[Lodeus]

He does not want to play those positions.

Good defense and running game and Tebow could win a QB. Also he doesn't make a lot of mistakes. Rex was just to stubborn to play him where he belongs. I guarantee you the Jets would have a better record if Rex didn't hate Tebow.

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by Lodeus

He does not want to play those positions.

Good defense and running game and Tebow could win a QB. Also he doesn't make a lot of mistakes. Rex was just to stubborn to play him where he belongs. I guarantee you the Jets would have a better record if Rex didn't hate Tebow.

He makes lots of mistakes. He takes sacks when he should get rid of the ball. He fumbles a lot. He had 13 fumbles last season. He doesn't throw a lot of interceptions because he is very inaccurate and nobody can catch his poor passes.

[rcaldw]

Originally Posted by joseephuss

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Originally Posted by Lodeus

He does not want to play those positions.

Good defense and running game and Tebow could win a QB. Also he doesn't make a lot of mistakes. Rex was just to stubborn to play him where he belongs. I guarantee you the Jets would have a better record if Rex didn't hate Tebow.

He makes lots of mistakes. He takes sacks when he should get rid of the ball. He fumbles a lot. He had 13 fumbles last season. He doesn't throw a lot of interceptions because he is very inaccurate and nobody can catch his poor passes.

you cherry pick what you want see just like his average critic. nothing new to see here. I can answer every point you have made but why sing to a deaf man?
even if I could convince you it changes nothing. I hope he ends up in Jax. he will shut the mouths of his critics



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[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by joseephuss

Miles should not have been on the field all along. He wasn't ready coming from a small school. He had a lot to learn. Same applies to Romo. He sat for 3 years for a reason. Sat behind some bad QBs because he still had things to learn at the NFL level. Coaches can see that when they talk to the guys in meetings and see them in practice. When Tebow can't hit open receivers in practice with no real pressure why would the coaches think he can do it in live action especially when his history shows he is inaccurate.

It is not silly to say team meetings count. If he can't show an understanding of the offensive system or scheme in a meeting room then that is not going to change on the field. The game has some critical mental aspects to it and discussing things in meetings is just as important as lifting weights and getting throwing reps in.

[View Full Quote]The Jets are the second team willing to cut him loose. That is telling. Peyton Manning isn't getting any younger. You figured the Broncos would have been happy to keep Tebow to learn behind Peyton, but they must be a pathetic organization as well.

See.. the problem with your theory is that you assume that coaches always know best.. and i think most of us are old enough to realize that's a bunch of baloney.

You can sit here and guess what you think or don't think Tebow is capable of, but to say anything definitively one way or the other is showing your lack of understanding on the subject.

Tebow has been given one chance.. and he played far better than anyone thought he would. If given a consistent starting role, there's no telling what he could accomplish. I'll tell you this much though, i'd start him in a second over Mark Sanchez. Ryan and that organization don't have a clue.

I agree with you about his physical QB skills.. he reminds me alot of Matt Leinart coming out. All the accolades, Heisman winner, etc.. but had a noodle arm and couldn't make the NFL throws.. but Tebow just has a quality about him that makes people around him better.

[WPBCowboysFan]

Originally Posted by JustDezIt

Makes me wonder why the team he is on and the NFL coaches that watch him every week would rather play McElroy.

The answer is quite obvious.

[Ren]

Originally Posted by Stryker44

He was the only guy to throw for over 300 yards on the Steelers last season, but yeah.

I just think he got shafted by Elway telling him he'd be the starter going into training camp, and definitely by Rex Ryan.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, he's not the first awful QB who's ever had a good game. Every time the Broncos fell behind a few scores and he couldn't lean in the running game he was nothing short of pathetic. He was good as long as the D kept it close for him which a lot of the time meant keeping it under 20 points. Tebow didn't lead that team to the playoffs their D did.

This year you see what happens when you give a team with a defense like that a real QB

[RXP]

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

See.. the problem with your theory is that you assume that coaches always know best.. and i think most of us are old enough to realize that's a bunch

So your telling us that we should ignore people like John Fox and Rex Ryan, guys who have watched and coached players for decades, guys who have watched Tebow practice every day, and instead listen to you?

I've watched this guy play. I don't want him anywhere near my team, unless he's a backup RB or something.

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by rcaldw

you cherry pick what you want see just like his average critic. nothing new to see here. I can answer every point you have made but why sing to a deaf man?
even if I could convince you it changes nothing. I hope he ends up in Jax. he will shut the mouths of his critics



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No, it is you who have cherry picked things in this thread. I have stated facts about his inaccuracy, which you fail to acknowledge. You say you can answer every point, but have failed to do so multiple times already. A 47.9% completion percentage in a career just doesn't cut it. And when he fails in Jacksonville you will just claim it was because they are a poorly run franchise.

Tebow. Good leader. Good person. Poor passer. Average at best QB.

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

See.. the problem with your theory is that you assume that coaches always know best.. and i think most of us are old enough to realize that's a bunch of baloney.


Tebow has been given one chance.. and he played far better than anyone thought he would.

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Not at all. I watched Tebow in the pre-season and saw that he didn't look any better than he did last year. I have also listened to guys that have seen him in training camp and on the practice field. There have been a high number of analysts that go to the practices and observe Tebow in drills both last season and this season. They all say he doesn't look good out there in a practice environment.

And no he didn't play far better than anyone thought he would. He struggled to hit open receivers. He couldn't make quick decisions, which led to sacks and fumbles. He could not consistently lead his teams to scores. If he outplayed expectations, then those expectations must have been very low.

I agree, that nothing anyone says will change my opinion of Tim Tebow. Only his play can do that and I highly doubt it will. I have watched him all through his days at UF. While his abilities were highly useful in college, they just aren't good enough at the NFL level. Same with Vince Young and Young is a more accurate passer than Tebow.

[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by RXP

So your telling us that we should ignore people like John Fox and Rex Ryan, guys who have watched and coached players for decades, guys who have watched Tebow practice every day, and instead listen to you?

I've watched this guy play. I don't want him anywhere near my team, unless he's a backup RB or something.

Im not telling you to ignore anybody.. im telling you if you think a guy like Rex Ryan is always right you obviously haven't watched that train wreck of a team at all this year.