Must win, no win situation for Tony

[Nav22]

Originally Posted by perrykemp

My goodness man -- Romo is 32 years old. He's had his whole career to shine. It hasn't happened in the post-season for whatever reason.

This is his chance. Great QBs often have to put the team on their back. Romo has the chance to prove all the detractors wrong -- let's cross our fingers that he does.

In the playoffs? Bull.

Eli Manning, for example, is 8-3 in the playoffs.

In all 8 wins, the Giants D held the opposition to 20 points or less.

In all 3 losses, the Giants D allowed over 20 points.

The Giants offense averaged a mediocre 19 points/game in the Super Bowls vs New England and won both games. If a team did that for the 2012 season, they'd currently be the 27th ranked scoring offense. So why do you think 19 points/game was enough to win both times?

John Elway would've retired ring-less if the Broncos didn't build a dominant D (plus Terrell Davis) in his last couple seasons. Peyton Manning would still be called a "choker" if the Colts D didn't dominate in the '06 playoffs while Peyton was off his game.

I can't even believe that on an NFL team's message board, it's still necessary to point out to people that football is a team sport and that elements like defense and special teams are also critical factors in a team's success.
It's honestly kind of sad.

[aikemirv]

The sad part is that The offense could go down and score and take the lead with a minute left and we could still get beat and Tony would get no credit.

That is just the way it is and its very idiotic but it just show the lack of perspective that many fans and media people have.

You can drive your team into FG range after a remarkable 4th quarter and miss the FG and get no credit whatsoever.

You can put the ball in the hands of the WR in the end zone twice in the final 3 minutes and the WR does not make the play and get no credit whatsoever. You can make the right read for a TD and the WR stops the route and get labeled a choker.

Bizarre stupidity!

[StanleySpadowski]

Originally Posted by tyke1doe

I think we need to retire this phrase. Some of the people labeling Romo a choker are NFL players and former NFL players. Do they not know football?

Obviously, they do.

I think they know the intangible aspects of football, and that's probably what they're looking at when they say that about Romo.

However, intangibles are just that. It's a quality you can't put your finger on. It's not solid.

If a player has that view about Romo, I'm not going to say he's wrong. But I don't necessarily have to buy it either because it is an intangible. It's kind of like a gut feeling. Your gut feeling isn't necessarily my evidence.

How about "people who don't know football and those in the media with an agenda to garner ratings/site hits from the people who don't know football".

People point to "intangibles" or "leadership" when their pre-conceived notions fail to mature because those points can't be measured so they can still claim to be right.

Was it Romo's lack of "intangibles" that caused Crayton to drop passes or run the wrong routes in the playoffs?

It must have been Romo's "leadership" last week that caused the hitch in Bryant's slant in OT.

[SDCowboy85]

It's amazing how this game is already being put ALL on Romo. This team which is decimated with injuries shouldn't even be in this position. Romo got them there though. Romo could throw for 300 and 3 TDs and this team can lose, and ESPN will put the loss on him.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by dfense

In all reality, Romo's play of late, has probably gotten the team farther than they should have gotten with all the injuries they have had on defense.

Going forward, even if Tony throws 4 TDs and they get past the Skins, Romo is going to have to win at least one playoff game to shake a little of the "choker" label so many have saddled him with.

Could you imagine having to play a Seattle team coming off a three game run averaging 45 points? Without five defensive starters and possibly Ware out also?

Romo essencially has to win the next two games by himself just to get the monkey off his back. It's really too bad that injuries have unfortunitely robbed Romo of his time to shine. He can't catch a break.

Cowboys have to win, Romo can do his part but it he does not play defense or any other position. What some morons say is about as worthless as it gets. QB's are important but games are won by teams always has always will. Funny people talk about being realist well reality is QB's can only do so much

[SDCowboy85]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

Cowboys have to win, Romo can do his part but it he does not play defense or any other position. What some morons say is about as worthless as it gets. QB's are important but games are won by teams always has always will. Funny people talk about being realist well reality is QB's can only do so much

The game just last Sunday should prove that QB's don't win games. It's amazing how many idiots still don't get football is a team sport.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by SDCowboy85

The game just last Sunday should prove that QB's don't win games. It's amazing how many idiots still don't get football is a team sport.

It has always been like that were success or failure is thrown to 1 person. It is amazing the ultimate team sport and many are so brained washed into thinking it is 1 person who determines success or failure?

No question poor QB play can get you beat quicker than any position on the field however as important as the QB is he has to rely on so many others to do their jobs and if they fail the team loses not the QB.

As you mentioned Romo did everything you could ask of a QB last week but there is so much he has no control over.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by SDCowboy85

The game just last Sunday should prove that QB's don't win games. It's amazing how many idiots still don't get football is a team sport.

Is that ever true.

I hadn't thought of it until now, but you triggered a real question:

Has a QB ever in NFL history had 400 yards passing, 4 TDs and ZERO turnovers....and LOST?

I would bet the answer is no. I bet that was the first time in the NFL history that it's happened, but can't prove it. I'm sure one of our stats guys around here can though.

[JohnsKey19]

The Cowboys OL and defense is what everyone should be discussing in terms of the outcome of Sunday's game, not Romo. If the OL shows up and competes giving Romo time, he'll pick apart the Skins pass D. If the OL comes up small, Romo will be running around all game under pressure and will be an easy target for fans/media after the game. Defensively, all I'm asking from this group is make enough key 3rd down stops. That way, you limit TDs and force FG attempts or even better punts.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by JohnsKey19

The Cowboys OL and defense is what everyone should be discussing in terms of the outcome of Sunday's game, not Romo. If the OL shows up and competes giving Romo time, he'll pick apart the Skins pass D. If the OL comes up small, Romo will be running around all game under pressure and will be an easy target for fans/media after the game. Defensively, all I'm asking from this group is make enough key 3rd down stops. That way, you limit TDs and force FG attempts or even better punts.

I agree. Right now with the defense I know they will struggle what I hope to see are some key plays that can help the offense. As hard of a time as they had vs NO this past weekend they still made a tackle that caused the fumble in OT and right now those type of things are what I hope this unit can do just come up with some key plays to help the team win.

[ilovejerry]

Originally Posted by theebs

Romo is not a choker by any stretch.

Really wish even his own fans would stop repeating this stuff

Turn off espn

Couldn't have said any better Theebs.

[mldardy]

Originally Posted by SDCowboy85

The game just last Sunday should prove that QB's don't win games. It's amazing how many idiots still don't get football is a team sport.

What game were you watching? Did you not see Drew Brees throw the ball and win the game for the Saints. Of QB's wins games and Brees won it on Sunday.

[Rack Bauer]

Originally Posted by mldardy

What game were you watching? Did you not see Drew Brees throw the ball and win the game for the Saints. Of QB's wins games and Brees won it on Sunday.

No he didn't. The SAINTS win it on Sunday.

[Rack Bauer]

Originally Posted by mldardy

OMG dude you are so lost.

Yeah brees won it, not the Saints. Cuz there weren't RBs and WR's catching his passes. There weren't linemen blocking for Brees either. Nope.

And that fumble in overtime? Brees totally recovered that fumble.

You want to know who is lost? Take a look in the mirror. I'd bet my house you've never played football before.

[mldardy]

Originally Posted by Rack Bauer

Yeah brees won it, not the Saints. Cuz there weren't RBs and WR's catching his passes. There weren't linemen blocking for Brees either. Nope.

And that fumble in overtime? Brees totally recovered that fumble.

You want to know who is lost? Take a look in the mirror. I'd bet my house you've never played football before.

Of course the Saints won, just like the Packers win, the Patriots win, etc. The point I'm making is Brees made the throws like he did all game. He threw for over 400 yards that game so if you think Brees had nothing to do with the win you can at yourself for that idiocy.

You and this 'team' thing man you are trying way too hard to make a point and it's not working.