What is Garrett's issue?

[Rynie]

I will never forget all the truly DUMB things Garrett has done in the last 2 years. It's mind-boggling.

[Picksix]

Originally Posted by ConstantReboot

Then why did we stray away from what worked? In OT we ran the ball up the middle in which the Saints knew it was coming. It went for no gain. It was one of those plays that Garrett seems to call that seems out in left field.

Garrett needs to call plays that work most of the time. Stop being trying to confuse the defense by calling plays that haven't worked. In the case with the slant, it was poorly executed. However, if we didn't waste that 2nd down on a run play, I don't think we would be in that situation to throw the slant to Dez.

A delayed handoff to Murray is harly out of left field. Remember, in normal situations like that, they go to the line with two plays, and Romo stays with #1, or checks to #2. Probably saw something he could exploit, and went for it. The defense made a play. We scored twice at the end by throwing the ball, but it's not like every play was working. The last score was on a 4th down play, following a couple of incompletions.

It'd be nice to have the mentality that we're just going to do what we want to do, and force the defense to stop it. Truth is, we're not good enough up front to do that. We have to try to outwit the defense. Sometimes the defense wins. Again, if we execute, it's not an issue.

The problem is, people think it's as simple as "if it works, it's a good play...if it doesn't than it isn't, and anything else would have worked better." I don't pretend to understand everything that goes into a play call, and without the value of all-22 and experience in breaking down plays, then it's presumptous to think you know why a play didn't work. Was it a bad play, a bad call, or did one person fail to execute, and the play failed? A lot of people act like they know more than they really do.

[WPBCowboysFan]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Or maybe NFL coaches don't get fired for play calling?

I submit this is the case.

If they have enough bad playcalling they do!

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by WPBCowboysFan

If they have enough bad playcalling they do!

They get fired for failing to lead, inspire, and win.

I simply do not agree with most fans on play calling. I don't believe any of us have any idea why a play is called, and the assignment of each guy on the field at the time. Maybe couchscout does when he has a specific assignment; but the rest of us have no clue and we base it strictly on if it worked or not. Notice I am including myself in that cabal.

I'll leave it at that because I know me saying that we as fans have no clue why plays are called usually upsets someone.

[WPBCowboysFan]

Originally Posted by Hostile

They get fired for failing to lead, inspire, and win.

I simply do not agree with most fans on play calling. I don't believe any of us have any idea why a play is called, and the assignment of each guy on the field at the time. Maybe couchscout does when he has a specific assignment; but the rest of us have no clue and we base it strictly on if it worked or not. Notice I am including myself in that cabal.

I'll leave it at that because I know me saying that we as fans have no clue why plays are called usually upsets someone.

True, ultimately they get fired for lack of wins. If enough plays dont work well enough they dont win enough.

And, Im full agreement that we as fans dont know/understand enough about why or why not plays are called or not called. Some of it SEEMS pretty obvious to us at times, but in reality, anything we see or think we see, you can bet an NFL coach sees as well. Only he sees a lot more along with it.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by WPBCowboysFan

True, ultimately they get fired for lack of wins. If enough plays dont work well enough they dont win enough.

And, Im full agreement that we as fans dont know/understand enough about why or why not plays are called or not called. Some of it SEEMS pretty obvious to us at times, but in reality, anything we see or think we see, you can bet an NFL coach sees as well. Only he sees a lot more along with it.

On top of that, we have no idea when a play is audibled out of.

It is really easy for me to say it is a bad call if it doesn't work. But it was called for a reason. Does the team know something about a formation that tips them to try something? I submit that they usually do.

For instance Carr's INT of Big Ben. He knew Haley likes to make that throw against Safety over the top. Carr picking it off doesn't mean Haley made a bad play call. It means Carr read it, and gambled. If he misses that pass Pittsburgh scores possibly because no one was behind the WR when Carr laid out.

[Kilyin]

I think pretty much what you have to realize is Tony Romo should now be 4-0 in December this year. He threw for 400+ yards, and 4 TDs with no interceptions.

It wasn't good enough to win, but I'm not going to blame that on my OC (head coach). Garrett has made plenty of mistakes and questionable decisions in the recent past, but not this month. He has put this team in a position to win, barring mistakes and failure to execute. That is his job and that's all he can do.

[Rockytop6]

Originally Posted by CowboysFaninDC

hhmmmm, is it play calling? or execution? fine line between the two.

Could it be some of both?

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by CowboysFaninDC

hhmmmm, is it play calling? or execution? fine line between the two.

Nothin better than when we need 4 or 5 yards on 3rd down and all of our receivers are 20 yards downfield.

[ConstantReboot]

Originally Posted by Picksix

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It'd be nice to have the mentality that we're just going to do what we want to do, and force the defense to stop it. Truth is, we're not good enough up front to do that. We have to try to outwit the defense. Sometimes the defense wins. Again, if we execute, it's not an issue.

The problem is, people think it's as simple as "if it works, it's a good play...if it doesn't than it isn't, and anything else would have worked better." I don't pretend to understand everything that goes into a play call, and without the value of all-22 and experience in breaking down plays, then it's presumptous to think you know why a play didn't work. Was it a bad play, a bad call, or did one person fail to execute, and the play failed? A lot of people act like they know more than they really do.

Truth is if were not good up front to block then why run it? Why not stay with what was working when we scored? Why did Garrett have to change up by playing more conservative rather than going for the jugular? There is a reason why we can score so easily in the waning moments while our offense is bogged down during the entire game. The reason is play caling. Garrett needs to call plays that suits the skillset of the team. Stop enforcing these plays that doesn't need to be called. Let Romo win the game for us. Without Garrett calling the plays, our offense would be so much better.

[ConstantReboot]

Originally Posted by Picksix

If the defense was truly back on its heels, then a run should have worked just fine. Even if it didn't, it's still 2nd and 10, which gives you chances to go right back to Witten and Dez, which they did. The pass to Witten was completed for about 5 yards. The pass to Dez wasn't. Don't act like one play that didn't work killed the drive. Even pass happy teams like NE, GB, and NO mix in runs when they have momentum.
Not a fan of his at all and we desperately need a replacement.

We had the defense at their heels. Garrett did not need to run the ball or throw quick outs to Witten. Heck he could even have gone deep which would have at least picked up the first down. Like I mentioned, those calls were Garrett playing it conservative again. That cost us the game.

[AKATheRake]

Originally Posted by Kilyin

First off, I'm not really what you'd call a Jason Garrett fan. I'm still not completely sold on him...

But there was nothing wrong with the gameplan against the Saints. Jason Garrett didn't fumble near our own goal line, or jump offsides on 4th down. I don't think Garrett calls the defense either.

How about that poor offensive play calling before the half to allow Drew Brees enough time to slice us up a bit more for 3 points to take the lead before half.

We went from 10-0 to 10-13 because suddenly we went 1 dimensional on offense and forgot they were controlling the clock. Barely any rush attempts, barely any high percetage quick outs, screens or tosses.

Run right or left, stop us and we're gonna pass intermediate. You stop that we're going to be in 3rd and 10 and try to convert a 1st down. We don't convert, then we commit another 3 and out on offense that uses up less than 1 minute on the clock.

You can't learn that in the Ivy leagues. You learn that in Pop Warner +. If you learn how to win games of course and can think about all facets of your team. Offense, defense and ST's, not just offense.

[AKATheRake]

Originally Posted by SlicedBread

I actually think we should try to lure young shanahan away from the deadskins, and trade for kirk cousins. We could let his develop under Romo for a few years until we unleash kirk of the nfl

Screw Cousins but I do like the young Shanahan, just not as out head coach.

So this would never happen for 2 reasons.

1) He wouldn't screw his old man.

2) We wouldn't make him our head coach and can't make him Asst. head Coach cause that's the other Irishman already, Callahan.

[CaptainMorgan]

Originally Posted by Kilyin

First off, I'm not really what you'd call a Jason Garrett fan. I'm still not completely sold on him...

But there was nothing wrong with the gameplan against the Saints. Jason Garrett didn't fumble near our own goal line, or jump offsides on 4th down. I don't think Garrett calls the defense either.

I like this girl

[UncFelix28]

I haven't even read this thread, but you have got to be kidding me!!! Besides the fact that the defense let the Saints offense control the clock & convert 3rd down after 3rd down, the plays were there to be made on the offensive side of the ball, on drives where Miles drops a pass that would've resulted in a 1st down in Saints territory, Murray drops a pass where if he catches it, he is probably able to turn up field for the yard to get beyond the sticks.. + Murray putting the ball on the ground.. Sorry man, I can't blame Garrett for that