Prediction: RG3 = Jason Campbell

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

I have disproven your "logic" so many times its failing to amuse me

Your logic has been dis-proven many times over and it still amuses me. Saying Brady throws more short passes because he completes his short passes at a higher percentage rate than Griffin is beyond ridiculous. It is made sillier when you put it in a large font. Just a bad use of statistics.

Griffin is a better QB than Campbell. I don't see the comparison at all.

[SkinsFan82]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

I'd bet every dollar I have the above statement is coming from someone who a few short years ago thought that Campbell was the future star to carry their team.

I fart in your general direction.

You would be wrong, as you usually are.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by joseephuss

Your logic has been dis-proven many times over and it still amuses me. Saying Brady throws more short passes because he completes his short passes at a higher percentage rate than Griffin is beyond ridiculous. It is made sillier when you put it in a large font. Just a bad use of statistics.

Griffin is a better QB than Campbell. I don't see the comparison at all.

Its in large font so you are able to comprehend what is being stated.

Brady HAS THROWN fewer then 10 yards on 81 percent of his completions.

Meaning out of Brady's completion, 81 percent are for 10 yards or less

At the time of this article being published, 74 percent of RG3's completed passes were 10 yards or less

Brady is clearly running a college offense.

And yes, the RG3=Campbell comparision only makes sense when you talk about the region of the country they are from.

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

Its in large font so you are able to comprehend what is being stated.

Brady HAS THROWN fewer then 10 yards on 81 percent of his completions.

Meaning out of Brady's completion, 81 percent are for 10 yards or less

At the time of this article being published, 74 percent of RG3's completed passes were 10 yards or less

Brady is clearly running a college offense.

And yes, the RG3=Campbell comparision only makes sense when you talk about the region of the country they are from.

I understand what those stats tried to say just fine. They didn't need to be in a large font. They still are useless. It is the attempts that matter. At the time you first posted that article a larger percentage of RGIII pass attempts were thrown at 10 yards are less compared to Brady. Brady was just better at completing those passes. It is a simple concept that you and that article chose to ignore.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by joseephuss

I understand what those stats tried to say just fine. They didn't need to be in a large font. They still are useless. It is the attempts that matter. At the time you first posted that article a larger percentage of RGIII pass attempts were thrown at 10 yards are less compared to Brady. Brady was just better at completing those passes. It is a simple concept that you and that article chose to ignore.

How do the attempts matter more then the completions?

Brady is completing 80 percent of his passes within 10 yards. RG3 is completing 74 percent within 10 yards.

The point being that Brady, similar to RG3, is maximizing the short passing game and taking what is being given to him rather then forcing things downfield. When things open up downfield, like on Thanksgiving, RG3 is hitting them

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

How do the attempts matter more then the completions?

Brady is completing 80 percent of his passes within 10 yards. RG3 is completing 74 percent within 10 yards.

You can repeat that stat as many times as you want and it still won't say what you want it to say. The number of times each QB throws it short(under 10 yards) compared to total number of passes he attempts tells you more about scheme and philosophy than the number of completions. The completions tell you more about how good they and their receivers are at executing those schemes.

The point being that Brady, similar to RG3, is maximizing the short passing game and taking what is being given to him rather then forcing things downfield. When things open up downfield, like on Thanksgiving, RG3 is hitting them

I don't recall you ever saying that was the point before. Although those are good things that any QB and offense should strive for, the discussion was always about the particular schemes the Redskins were running this season with RGIII.

I wouldn't call it a college scheme, but it is a limited scheme. He attempts a lot of short passes. He does so at a higher rate than most other QBs in the league. He does so more than Brady. Just because Brady is better at executing those shorter passes means Brady is running a similar scheme. I do expect over the years as Griffin fully adapts to the NFL they will open up more of the passing game, but it isn't abnormal for rookies to run an abridged version of the playbook that includes a lot of short, safe passes.

[WPBCowboysFan]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

Define an NFL offense.

Is it one that puts up 38 points a week and with a 36 point output would have the highest output for a franchise in 20 years?

Can NFL offenses evolve at all? Or should we still be running the wishbone?

How long did the wildcat last?

It made Tony Sparano look like a good coach for a season. It bought him some extra time in Miami before he was canned.

Sometimes the NFL is slow to catch onto something. However, there is no doubt that RG3 will have to develop and mature at some point to play with the big boys. He does have 2 things in his favor. One, he seems to be smart enough to have a chance while Jason Campell was as dumb as a pile of rocks. Two, with parity in the NFL the level of play is not near as good as it used to be so that is in his favor.

[s2thalayer]

Originally Posted by WPBCowboysFan

How long did the wildcat last?

It made Tony Sparano look like a good coach for a season. It bought him some extra time in Miami before he was canned.

Sometimes the NFL is slow to catch onto something. However, there is no doubt that RG3 will have to develop and mature at some point to play with the big boys. He does have 2 things in his favor. One, he seems to be smart enough to have a chance while Jason Campell was as dumb as a pile of rocks. Two, with parity in the NFL the level of play is not near as good as it used to be so that is in his favor.

You're really comparing Sporano to a 2 time superbowl winning Shanahan?! He's running the same damn offense he ran in Denver that was also successful. Saying it's a one year wonder is just silly, and a very bad case of denial...which I'm sensing a lot of in this thread.

I can't think of a whole lot of people who ever thought Campbell was the answer, most got hazed for even thinking it on ES. Campbell checked down because he was scared. RG3 checks down because they're wide open with 15 yards to run.

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by s2thalayer

You're really comparing Sporano to a 2 time superbowl winning Shanahan?! He's running the same damn offense he ran in Denver that was also successful. Saying it's a one year wonder is just silly, and a very bad case of denial...which I'm sensing a lot of in this thread.

I can't think of a whole lot of people who ever thought Campbell was the answer, most got hazed for even thinking it on ES. Campbell checked down because he was scared. RG3 checks down because they're wide open with 15 yards to run.

It is not a check down if the short route is the first option, which in many instances it is in the current Redskins offensive scheme. That will evolve over the years as Griffin gets better acclimated to the NFL.

I agree that Griffin is not going to be a one year wonder. He has his head on straight, which is one of the big things a QB needs.

[cowboy_ron]

Wasn't this very same talk the same last year with Cam Newton? The running QB's generally do pretty well the first year until defenses learn how to gameplan them....next year will be a better gauge on him. They are riding higher on emotion right now rather than overall team talent.

[zrinkill]

Originally Posted by s2thalayer

You're really comparing Sporano to a 2 time superbowl winning Shanahan?! He's running the same damn offense he ran in Denver that was also successful. Saying it's a one year wonder is just silly, and a very bad case of denial...which I'm sensing a lot of in this thread.

I can't think of a whole lot of people who ever thought Campbell was the answer, most got hazed for even thinking it on ES. Campbell checked down because he was scared. RG3 checks down because they're wide open with 15 yards to run.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103910

[ApolytonGP]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

The only thing that Campbell and RG3 have in common are they are from the south

And they are bl...oody staunch fellows.

[Skinsmaniac]

LOL, I'm so glad you're posting again dumbsheet. It might prompt me to visit a little more

[Aikbach]

RG3 is going to either be the next Steve Young albeit much faster or the next Randall Cunningham, either way he's a stud, get used to it.

Either he'll lead his team to promise or he'll be a one man team that never wins it all but gains loads of personal recognition.

Whoever brought up Campbell is about as off based as it gets, like comparing Quincy Carter to Tony Romo.

[BobGriffin3]

LOL, this thread is hilarious. Has Jason Teflon Don Campbell ever had a game where he threw more than 2 TD's?