Romo 1-5 in win or go home games

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by sonnyboy

No, no, no and no.

2006 is calling and wants that Romo back. Just because he's still great outside the pocket doesnt deminish his excellence in it.

Romo relies on superior instincts and pocket prescence to avoid hits and escape the pocket. He seldom outruns anyone.

You have completely bass ackward, he particular skill set is likely to have him playing past 35.

Romo isn't "excellent" within the pocket he's excellent outside the pocket and the number of TD's he's thrown outside the pocket support it. There may not be a QB in the league better outside the pocket than Romo. He has a tendency to bail early and improvise that's when he's at his best. The best plays of his career have come outside the pocket. His ability to make plays outside the pocket is what has so many Cowboy FANS enamored with him. Naturally some of the reason he bails is due to the lack of protection he gets at times but even when he has a clean pocket he'll still likes moving outside and improvising. Romo isn't a runner he darts around slipping defenders looking to throw but eventually age does rob a QB of their quickness and ability to avoid defenders.

You mentioned Peyton Manning but he's a pocket passer who could play until he's 40 if he stays healthy. He stands tall in the pocket his best plays come from within the pocket. Romo could play until he's 35 and beyond depending on his health and his ability to continue improvising as effectively as he does. Romo has been taking a lot of hits the past 2 seasons so his longevity and effectiveness will depend on how his body holds up.

According to ESPN there were only 2 TD passes thrown outside the pocket in week one and both came from Romo to Kevin Ogletree. There may not be a QB in the league that throws more TD's outside the pocket than Romo. He would certainly be one of the leaders in that category.

http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2012/0...de-the-pocket/

[aikemirv]

Originally Posted by KJJ

Romo isn't "excellent" within the pocket he's excellent outside the pocket and the number of TD's he's thrown outside the pocket support it. There may not be a QB in the league better outside the pocket than Romo. He has a tendency to bail early and improvise that's when he's at his best. The best plays of his career have come outside the pocket. His ability to make plays outside the pocket is what has so many Cowboy FANS enamored with him. Naturally some of the reason he bails is due to the lack of protection he gets at times but even when he has a clean pocket he'll still likes moving outside and improvising. Romo isn't a runner he darts around slipping defenders looking to throw but eventually age does rob a QB of their quickness and ability to avoid defenders.

[View Full Quote]You mentioned Peyton Manning but he's a pocket passer who could play until he's 40 if he stays healthy. He stands tall in the pocket his best plays come from within the pocket. Romo could play until he's 35 and beyond depending on his health and his ability to continue improvising as effectively as he does. Romo has been taking a lot of hits the past 2 seasons so his longevity and effectiveness will depend on how his body holds up.

According to ESPN there were only 2 TD passes thrown outside the pocket in week one and both came from Romo to Kevin Ogletree. There may not be a QB in the league that throws more TD's outside the pocket than Romo. He would certainly be one of the leaders in that category.

http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2012/0...de-the-pocket/

Keep ignoring the obvious, youre doing that very well!

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by KJJ

Romo isn't "excellent" within the pocket he's excellent outside the pocket and the number of TD's he's thrown outside the pocket support it. There may not be a QB in the league better outside the pocket than Romo. He has a tendency to bail early and improvise that's when he's at his best. The best plays of his career have come outside the pocket. His ability to make plays outside the pocket is what has so many Cowboy FANS enamored with him. Naturally some of the reason he bails is due to the lack of protection he gets at times but even when he has a clean pocket he'll still likes moving outside and improvising. Romo isn't a runner he darts around slipping defenders looking to throw but eventually age does rob a QB of their quickness and ability to avoid defenders.

[View Full Quote]You mentioned Peyton Manning but he's a pocket passer who could play until he's 40 if he stays healthy. He stands tall in the pocket his best plays come from within the pocket. Romo could play until he's 35 and beyond depending on his health and his ability to continue improvising as effectively as he does. Romo has been taking a lot of hits the past 2 seasons so his longevity and effectiveness will depend on how his body holds up.

According to ESPN there were only 2 TD passes thrown outside the pocket in week one and both came from Romo to Kevin Ogletree. There may not be a QB in the league that throws more TD's outside the pocket than Romo. He would certainly be one of the leaders in that category.

http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2012/0...de-the-pocket/

Danny White went into some of this in detail yesterday in Dallas.

He mentioned (as you did) how, due to the lack of protection early on, Romo (for excusable reasons) was sometimes bailing out of the pocket more quickly than he needed too.
Not that he prefers to be out the pocket but that he knows he can succeed outside the pocket vs potentially missing some time (with, say, a broken collar bone or a punctured lung...lol) if he stays in there too long.

White then went on to say one of the big differences recently is that Romo appears to have just enough confidence in the line that he is staying in the pocket and setting his feet more often.

White says ( i think he differs from you here) that Romo is beyond deadly if he has any kind of time at all to set his feet and survey the field. So although he can excell outside the pocket, he is outstanding in the pocket.

Comparing him to Peyton in the pocket is a bit much though. Brady and Peyton are just flat out sick pocket passers. Romo is very good but not at that level.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by aikemirv

Keep ignoring the obvious, youre doing that very well!

You claimed Romo rarely has a pocket making it appear that's the only reason he bails and gets outside. Watch the games he's at his best outside the pocket that's why improvises so much. The links I posted point out how good he is outside the pocket. His skill set is such that he's at his most effective outside the pocket that's why so many of his TD's come from outside. He could have Aikman's OL from the 90's and he would still improvise outside the pocket because he's not and never has been a great pocket passer. Romo is a playmaker who creates plays.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by aikemirv

I don't know what you are watching. Garrett does not design many plays at all to get Romo out of the pocket. The reason he throws so many outside the pocket is because he is forced to move out, not by design. You are a bit crazy I think. Romo escapes pressure as good, if not better than anyone and when a play breaks down, like so many do with our oline, Romo is outside the pocket thus a lot of TD's outside the pocket.

TD's against the Giants outside the pocket, well duh, the giants manhandle our oline.

Use some common sense!

I don't know what games you're watching because Romo moves outside the pocket regularly that's where he's most effective. Some of the plays are designed to get him outside the pocket when there's been protection issues and other times Romo improvises. His improvisational skills are what makes him so effective he's one of the best in the league at improvising.

I use common sense but from my discussions with you in the other thread about Romo you clearly don't. You honestly believe if Romo had a clean pocket all day he would be a better QB staying there making plays within the pocket?

[aikemirv]

Originally Posted by KJJ

You claimed Romo rarely has a pocket making it appear that's the only reason he bails and gets outside. Watch the games he's at his best outside the pocket that's why improvises so much. The links I posted point out how good he is outside the pocket. His skill set is such that he's at his most effective outside the pocket that's why so many of his TD's come from outside. He could have Aikman's OL from the 90's and he would still improvise outside the pocket because he's not and never has been a great pocket passer. Romo is a playmaker who creates plays.

I think he is great outside the pocket, but that is not the PLAN.

Look at his passer rating the past 2 games, some of the best protection he has had all year.

All of his 4 TD's were in the pocket on Sunday!

I believe the 2 in Pittsburg were inside the pocket as well.

When he has a pocket he stays there and is very effective, it was like taking candy from a baby he was so comfortable versus Pittsburgh!

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by DFWJC

Danny White went into some of this in detail yesterday in Dallas.

He mentioned (as you did) how, due to the lack of protection early on, Romo (for excusable reasons) was sometimes bailing out of the pocket more quickly than he needed too.
Not that he prefers to be out the pocket but that he knows he can succeed outside the pocket vs potentially missing some time (with, say, a broken collar bone or a punctured lung...lol) if he stays in there too long.

White then went on to say one of the big differences recently is that Romo appears to have just enough confidence in the line that he is staying in the pocket and setting his feet more often.

White says ( i think he differs from you here) that Romo is beyond deadly if he has any kind of time at all to set his feet and survey the field. So although he can excell outside the pocket, he is outstanding in the pocket.

[View Full Quote]Comparing him to Peyton in the pocket is a bit much though. Brady and Peyton are just flat out sick pocket passers. Romo is very good but not at that level.

Some of the worst plays Romo has made (the head scratchers) have come within the pocket when he's had plenty of time to throw. If you compile a highlight reel of Romo's greatest plays most if not all will be him improvising outside the pocket. He made a play a few years ago vs the Giants where he ducked a defender avoiding what appeared to be a certain sack and threw a TD. It's those great plays that have so many FANS thinking Romo is an elite QB who's better than Eli.

Romo has been setting his feet more but when he doesn't see a receiver open quickly he'll bail and extend the play allowing a receiver to work their way open. He does this with Witten a lot by darting around allowing Witten to find a soft spot. Moving outside also gives Romo some time to set his feet and throw. It's all about moving away from the pressure. Romo doesn't have a gun for an arm and the best pocket passers "usually" have strong arms. Romo isn't able to drop back and step up into the pocket very often due to pressure up the middle which is almost impossible for any QB to avoid.

Up the middle pressure has led to most of his sacks. He can slip edge rushers but up the middle pressure is certain doom and this causes him to bail quick to give himself a chance to make a play outside. He knows once he gets outside he'll be able to maneuver around and extend a play.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by aikemirv

I think he is great outside the pocket, but that is not the PLAN.

He is great outside the pocket so you think the PLAN is to keep him in the pocket? Why would you want to keep him in the pocket when he's so great outside the pocket? I can assure you Garrett doesn't enter a game with a PLAN to keep Romo in the pocket all day. He knows the skill set and instincts Romo has and allows him to improvise. Romo wouldn't be the QB he is if he were limited to being a pocket passer. It's the opponents plan to keep Romo in the pocket by pressuring him up the middle. They know once he gets outside he'll make a play. Anytime you're trying to defense a playmaker like Romo the plan is to try and keep them from extending plays. Most of Romo's plays come from outside the pocket.

Some of the worst games Romo has had is when he's gotten pressure up the middle and hasn't been able to get outside. He gets hemmed in and goes down or tries to force a throw. When he's able to get outside it gives him the freedom to slip and spin away from defenders allowing receivers to get open. Romo routinely will make a defender miss giving him time to set his feet and throw.

Originally Posted by aikemirv

Look at his passer rating the past 2 games, some of the best protection he has had all year.

His protection has been good but most of his plays are still coming from outside the pocket. His passer ratings are what they are because of his ability to make plays outside the pocket. The better protection hasn't kept him from wanting to improvise. Improvising is a huge part of his game. Even when he's had time he doesn't always see a receiver open so to avoid being hemmed in he'll move outside. His instincts are so good he can stay alive while his receivers have time to work their way open.

Originally Posted by aikemirv

All of his 4 TD's were in the pocket on Sunday! I believe the 2 in Pittsburg were inside the pocket as well.

Let me make it clear no one is saying he doesn't throw TD's from within the pocket but most of his "plays" come from outside the pocket. Sometimes he'll throw TD's within the pocket after first moving outside the pocket. He occasionally moves outside the pocket then moves back in. He dances around a lot trying to keep a play alive. A lot of the plays he creates that aren't TD's are from outside the pocket.

Originally Posted by aikemirv

When he has a pocket he stays there and is very effective, it was like taking candy from a baby he was so comfortable versus Pittsburgh!

He doesn't always stay there when he has a pocket if he doesn't see a receiver open he'll move outside the pocket to give himself more time to survey. Watch the games! Over his "career" most of his plays have come outside the pocket. That's my point.

[SDCowboy85]

ESPN just said Romo has zero wins in week 17 must wins...this immediately after saying he won in week 17 against the Eagles in '09. Good gravy...

[aikemirv]

Originally Posted by SDCowboy85

ESPN just said Romo has zero wins in week 17 must wins...this immediately after saying he won in week 17 against the Eagles in '09. Good gravy...

The basic rule for my mental well-being is "do not watch ESPN or NFL network when they are talking about the Cowboys"

It has served me well!

I hardley watch any pregame anymore, it is just irritating. I only watch after Cowboy wins to see them eat some crow. I hope that Sunday night I will be watching highlights over and over again until 1:00am or so to come off my high rather than tossing and turning in my bed after a couple of benydrls!

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by SDCowboy85

ESPN just said Romo has zero wins in week 17 must wins...this immediately after saying he won in week 17 against the Eagles in '09. Good gravy...

I don't believe the win over Philly in week 17 was a "must" win. I could be mistaken but had the Cowboys lost they still would have gotten into the playoffs as a wildcard.

[aikemirv]

Originally Posted by KJJ

He is great outside the pocket so you think the PLAN is to keep him in the pocket? Why would you want to keep him in the pocket when he's so great outside the pocket? I can assure you Garrett doesn't enter a game with a PLAN to keep Romo in the pocket all day. He knows the skill set and instincts Romo has and allows him to improvise. Romo wouldn't be the QB he is if he were limited to being a pocket passer. It's the opponents plan to keep Romo in the pocket by pressuring him up the middle. They know once he gets outside he'll make a play. Anytime you're trying to defense a playmaker like Romo the plan is to try and keep them from extending plays. Most of Romo's plays come from outside the pocket.

[View Full Quote]Some of the worst games Romo has had is when he's gotten pressure up the middle and hasn't been able to get outside. He gets hemmed in and goes down or tries to force a throw. When he's able to get outside it gives him the freedom to slip and spin away from defenders allowing receivers to get open. Romo routinely will make a defender miss giving him time to set his feet and throw.



His protection has been good but most of his plays are still coming from outside the pocket. His passer ratings are what they are because of his ability to make plays outside the pocket. The better protection hasn't kept him from wanting to improvise. Improvising is a huge part of his game. Even when he's had time he doesn't always see a receiver open so to avoid being hemmed in he'll move outside. His instincts are so good he can stay alive while his receivers have time to work their way open.



Let me make it clear no one is saying he doesn't throw TD's from within the pocket but most of his "plays" come from outside the pocket. Sometimes he'll throw TD's within the pocket after first moving outside the pocket. He occasionally moves outside the pocket then moves back in. He dances around a lot trying to keep a play alive. A lot of the plays he creates that aren't TD's are from outside the pocket.



He doesn't always stay there when he has a pocket if he doesn't see a receiver open he'll move outside the pocket to give himself more time to survey. Watch the games! Over his "career" most of his plays have come outside the pocket. That's my point.

Knowing Garrett, I would say that it is a rare play to get Tony out of the pocket - really rare. He is one of the most conventional OC's in the league.

Romo on the other hand, if he knows his protection is weak for the day is ready at the drop of the hat to get outside the pocket where he knows he will have a bit of time to make a play.

[SDCowboy85]

Originally Posted by KJJ

I don't believe the win over Philly in week 17 was a "must" win. I could be mistaken but had the Cowboys lost they still would have gotten into the playoffs as a wildcard.

I'm pretty sure it was. At the very least it was win to take the division.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by SDCowboy85

I'm pretty sure it was.

I'm pretty sure had the Cowboys lost Philly would have won the division and the Cowboys would have gotten the wildcard and had to travel to Philly the next week. So yes the game was to take the division but it wasn't a "must" win or stay home for the Cowboys.

[DMAC]

Originally Posted by SDCowboy85

I'm pretty sure it was. At the very least it was win to take the division.

We were already in the playoffs. A "must" win is a game where you win, or make a tee time for the next week.