A double standard

[ShiningStar]

Women wanted to be paid like men, they WANT to be treated like women. IS that all women, no, is that the majority, ask around and find out.


for me its the same way, actually just to piss the men off at my old sight, the company demanded a female at every location BUT only the men had the hard jobs, while the females got the desk job.


as you can also see, per being equal you can see the equality as women passed on office jobs for the manual jobs to show men they are equal.

and to prove my point, someone had said to be "how can you say that about women, there is a woman right now working with the road crew" so i shocked my friend and went to talk the head person of the crew and he said "the woman will be placed to direct traffic" to which i laughed, and than to show my friend the difference of whats expected of a man and a woman, we went and asked by the woman took the job, and she replied it was the only job opened to her at the time. SO while working on the line crew of the company, her job was to direct traffic while the men had to do the labor. To which i tell men, welcome to equality.


We are all equal people, just some are more equal than others.

[Shunpike]

This is definitely a double standard and you are right to complain. But those double standards work in our favor time to time.

A man sleeps with lots of girls, bangs them left and right and he is called Casanova. A woman does it and she is instantly a whore. Such is life.

[a_minimalist]

Originally Posted by ShiningStar

Women wanted to be paid like men, they WANT to be treated like women. IS that all women, no, is that the majority, ask around and find out.


for me its the same way, actually just to piss the men off at my old sight, the company demanded a female at every location BUT only the men had the hard jobs, while the females got the desk job.


as you can also see, per being equal you can see the equality as women passed on office jobs for the manual jobs to show men they are equal.

[View Full Quote]and to prove my point, someone had said to be "how can you say that about women, there is a woman right now working with the road crew" so i shocked my friend and went to talk the head person of the crew and he said "the woman will be placed to direct traffic" to which i laughed, and than to show my friend the difference of whats expected of a man and a woman, we went and asked by the woman took the job, and she replied it was the only job opened to her at the time. SO while working on the line crew of the company, her job was to direct traffic while the men had to do the labor. To which i tell men, welcome to equality.


We are all equal people, just some are more equal than others.

Be careful, you might be told you have an issue with women for saying that!

[ShiningStar]

Originally Posted by a_minimalist

Be careful, you might be told you have an issue with women for saying that!

you know it, i cleaned out my mail box. thanks for speaking your mind brother

[ShiningStar]

Originally Posted by Shunpike

This is definitely a double standard and you are right to complain. But those double standards work in our favor time to time.

A man sleeps with lots of girls, bangs them left and right and he is called Casanova. A woman does it and she is instantly a whore. Such is life.

i havent seen that in a few years lately. in fact ive heard and seen different things now a days. so that doesnt fly either.

[JoeyBoy718]

Originally Posted by Shunpike

This is definitely a double standard and you are right to complain. But those double standards work in our favor time to time.

A man sleeps with lots of girls, bangs them left and right and he is called Casanova. A woman does it and she is instantly a whore. Such is life.

I love whores.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by a_minimalist

I work with basically all women at my job. They give me all of the heavy lifting and manual labor because I am a man. The manager actually said exactly that today. Am I the only one who sees a double standard here? If it was all men and one women and they made her clean because she is a woman a lawsuit would be filed in a split second.

Luckily, I'm leaving this part-time job since I finally found a full-time gig but even though I'm leaving in a week, the principle still bothers me. Am I the only one who sees a double standard here? If I was a woman and they were men it would be a case of sexism, no?

Many , many double standards in the workplace and out.

Quanity of hours worked, sick days used, and personal days off differencial (on average) between men and women is gigantic.
Pay gap has decreased dramatically but is still there in some cases. But in many (not all) cases it should be there, because of what I just said.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by IAMKING

Of course if it was the other way lawsuits would be filed but you're a man suck it up

This is my take. If you're the best person to do it, then just do it and don't complain about it. It doesn't have to be fair. They're paying you for your effort, so do whatever you can to help out wherever you can help out. And don't expect a ribbon for it.

[a_minimalist]

Originally Posted by Idgit

This is my take. If you're the best person to do it, then just do it and don't complain about it. It doesn't have to be fair. They're paying you for your effort, so do whatever you can to help out wherever you can help out. And don't expect a ribbon for it.

But I want a ribbon.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by a_minimalist

But I want a ribbon.

I didn't meant to imply you wanted the ribbon, in particular. I just meant, generally, employees should just try to be helpful where they can as part of a hard day's work. But then, I'm on the employer side of the equation, so my opinion's admittedly biased.

[ShiningStar]

if the ribbon doesnt come in certain colors can we say they are being racist?

[Hoov]

I just dont think it is so black and white and here is why.

Im for women being able to evolve more and more into the workplace - there are more women in congress now then ever before and i think its a good thing.

I would vote for a female president if i thought she was the best candidate.

At the same time im fairly traditional with certain roles. I dont want my girlfriend or my daughter to take out the trash or lift heavy things around the house or do construction projects unassisted.

I dont mind doing laundry and i like to iron my own clothing because im very particular about how my shirts and pants look.

I hate cooking, I have no interest in cooking at all. I tell my daughter thats womens work (jokingly) and she gets mad. Fortunately for me my girlfriend likes to cook and i can tell you i dont think i would not get serioulsy involved with a woman that does not like to cook because one of us has to do it and its not going to be me.

I also don't like general household chores (I mean do general cleaning such as running the vaccuum, putting everything away, cleaning the bathroom etc.) But i dont like a cluttered place or any dust on the floor or anywhere else i can see. Im not a messy person and clutter bothers me alot. In fact its a bit of a problem when i try to clean because i go overboard and can spend an hour fixating on one little area like im sterilizing the place. So its much better for me to allow someone else to do those types of things.

So as a traditionalist and somewhat sexist....i do feel that there are certain things that I being the Man should do and certain things i would expect a women to do.

But at the same time i do believe that women should be venturing out more and more into the workplace and see nothing wrong with a female being the CEO of a major corporation or an Administrator, etc. and they should receive equal pay if they are qualified for the job !! But still, if i saw a woman in the workplace bend over to lift a heavy object no matter what her job title is, i would feel inclined to run over and get it for her.

And of course if a woman takes on a high power job or any job working 40 hours a week she is not going to have so much time left for doing certain things in the home and adjustments need to be made and that is only being rational and realistic. You cant expect your wife to work 40 hours a week and cook a great meal every night and clean the entire house and do laundry on the weekends, its too much.

Still, when time constraints allow and other factors are accounted for....there are certain things that tend to fall into the motherly or nurturing category and I think women should still embrace those types of things and there are certain things that fall into the protector or fatherly role and men should continue to embrace those things without complaining about it.

I will always expect that men should do the more rugged and brawny type of work and that women should be nurturing to some degree and that includes getting a cup of coffee for your man when he comes down in the morning or making a nice meal and serving it when you have time. Even if we have dinner delivered from chineese takkeout, my girlfriend will get the food and put it onto plates, ask me what i want to drink, set the table or set it up in the living room and serve the meal and make it a nice experience.

So, in that way I am a sexist - but i also think that any woman should feel that the sky is the limit as far as career occupations are concerned and what she can accomplish.

[a_minimalist]

Originally Posted by Idgit

I didn't meant to imply you wanted the ribbon, in particular. I just meant, generally, employees should just try to be helpful where they can as part of a hard day's work. But then, I'm on the employer side of the equation, so my opinion's admittedly biased.

Well maybe I should keep my mouth shut then since I have every intention of starting my own business very soon. The point of my post was really to find out if we do live in strange times. From what people are saying, we do.

[a_minimalist]

Originally Posted by Hoov

I just dont think it is so black and white and here is why.

Im for women being able to evolve more and more into the workplace - there are more women in congress now then ever before and i think its a good thing.

I would vote for a female president if i thought she was the best candidate.

At the same time im fairly traditional with certain roles. I dont want my girlfriend or my daughter to take out the trash or lift heavy things around the house or do construction projects unassisted.

I dont mind doing laundry and i like to iron my own clothing because im very particular about how my shirts and pants look.

[View Full Quote]I hate cooking, I have no interest in cooking at all. I tell my daughter thats womens work (jokingly) and she gets mad. Fortunately for me my girlfriend likes to cook and i can tell you i dont think i would not get serioulsy involved with a woman that does not like to cook because one of us has to do it and its not going to be me.

I also don't like general household chores (I mean do general cleaning such as running the vaccuum, putting everything away, cleaning the bathroom etc.) But i dont like a cluttered place or any dust on the floor or anywhere else i can see. Im not a messy person and clutter bothers me alot. In fact its a bit of a problem when i try to clean because i go overboard and can spend an hour fixating on one little area like im sterilizing the place. So its much better for me to allow someone else to do those types of things.

So as a traditionalist and somewhat sexist....i do feel that there are certain things that I being the Man should do and certain things i would expect a women to do.

But at the same time i do believe that women should be venturing out more and more into the workplace and see nothing wrong with a female being the CEO of a major corporation or an Administrator, etc. and they should receive equal pay if they are qualified for the job !! But still, if i saw a woman in the workplace bend over to lift a heavy object no matter what her job title is, i would feel inclined to run over and get it for her.

And of course if a woman takes on a high power job or any job working 40 hours a week she is not going to have so much time left for doing certain things in the home and adjustments need to be made and that is only being rational and realistic. You cant expect your wife to work 40 hours a week and cook a great meal every night and clean the entire house and do laundry on the weekends, its too much.

Still, when time constraints allow and other factors are accounted for....there are certain things that tend to fall into the motherly or nurturing category and I think women should still embrace those types of things and there are certain things that fall into the protector or fatherly role and men should continue to embrace those things without complaining about it.

I will always expect that men should do the more rugged and brawny type of work and that women should be nurturing to some degree and that includes getting a cup of coffee for your man when he comes down in the morning or making a nice meal and serving it when you have time. Even if we have dinner delivered from chineese takkeout, my girlfriend will get the food and put it onto plates, ask me what i want to drink, set the table or set it up in the living room and serve the meal and make it a nice experience.

So, in that way I am a sexist - but i also think that any woman should feel that the sky is the limit as far as career occupations are concerned and what she can accomplish.

I don't think anyone, including myself, is saying women shouldn't reach for the stars. I see no problem with a women having any title that would be available as a man as long as she does the work expected of every man who holds that title. I don't understand why exceptions should be made for women but not men. Especially if they are fully capable of the work. You can't pick and choose what stereotypes you want applied to you. It's either all or none.

I would love to see a women become president if she is the best candidate. Sex doesn't mean anything to me. It's when gender roles are applied to men in the workplace and not women that it starts to bother me a bit.

[ShiningStar]

Originally Posted by a_minimalist

Well maybe I should keep my mouth shut then since I have every intention of starting my own business very soon. The point of my post was really to find out if we do live in strange times. From what people are saying, we do.

we do the difference of the argument is we just wont admit it. i have started admitting it a long time ago, if you join me, you'll see nothings changed, but you re happier.