What nobody is talking about...

[dueyhemlock]

Originally Posted by davidyee

...impeding the snap of the ball when Dallas was ready at the LOS, then the film should go to the league with a protest.

It should result in a demotion of that crew and that official to the bottom of the NFL ref pile with a possible loss of job when another ref gains the necessary experience to take over his position.

It is unacceptable for an official to hold the game in favour of the defensive side when it was an offensive timeout called. This is not pee wee football.

I know when substitutions are made on offense, the refs hold the ball some for the defense to do the same.

Not sure how that works when kicking is involved.

[davidyee]

Originally Posted by dueyhemlock

I know when substitutions are made on offense, the refs hold the ball some for the defense to do the same.

Not sure how that works when kicking is involved.

...typically goes to the side who called it. It's their time out.

If offence calls it and they are ready to go the ref must whistle the start of the play.

[AdamJT13]

Originally Posted by dueyhemlock

I know when substitutions are made on offense, the refs hold the ball some for the defense to do the same.

Not sure how that works when kicking is involved.

That rule is supposed to apply only when the offense changes personnel AND rushes to the line of scrimmage to try a quick snap. It's not supposed to apply in normal situations when the defensive team is simply confused. I don't remember whether we rushed out there quickly.

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by Irving Cowboy

You do realize that if he misses then Washington gets the ball at their own 42, right? They punted instead. Made sense to me.

Yeah. That's always the risk but if it was such a worry, nobody would ever try long FGs.

When coupled with the fact that Garrett called for a 48 yard kick later in the game, his halftime BS is total idiocy. A shining example of how in over his head he is.

As the OP stated, it was 3rd down and Dallas had a 52 yard FG on the board.

If 52 is punting territory, where's the yard marker where he kicks it? IMO, you absolutely run the ball and for 2 reasons.

1. Murray's gonna get 2 or 3 yards. Now the kick is 49 yards.

2. You force Washington to use their last timeout. Now they have no timeouts and no matter what you do, they have to be conscious of the clock. Seeing how they just ran one play and then went to the half, maybe they don't use their last timeout and Dallas then takes the clock down to a few seconds and can now try a kick without any threat of giving the ball to the Skins.

In that situation, a made kick gives you a 3 point lead going into half. A missed kick gives the Skins the ball with 35 seconds or so and no timeouts.

Best case: Up 3

Worst case: Down 3....unless we assume the defense collapses. I'm content with calling a FG likely.

When he elected the for the kick later on, Dallas was still going to need a TD to get the lead anyway. Washington would have had a full quarter to work with too and extend their lead.

Best case: Down 4

Worst Case: Down 14

He literally passed on an opportunity to take the lead at half with a kick but later made the opposite decision in a situation that could have resulted in Washington putting the game out of reach.

His decision making is completely stupid. You cannot justify passing on a long kick when you have the chance to get a lead and then later take a slightly shorter kick when the worst case outcome for you is having the opponent put the game out of reach.


This, is just another example in a long list of examples. Not much different than a couple of weeks back when Murray bailed him out with a terrific run to move the sticks.

He doesn't know how to manage the game. End of story. He is in over his head.

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by jazzcat22

This team has too many 3rd downs, I haven't looked up any stats, but seems we rarely get 1st downs on a 2nd down play, seems we are always in a 3rd down situation.

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Good point.

[BIGDen]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

Adam brought it up last night and was as cyber-angry as I've ever seen him. Called Garrett a coward (or at least the act was cowardly) and said it was his biggest failure.

Garrett is so wrong about not kicking from the opponent's 35 it's sickening. I know it annoys Adam as much as it pisses me off. Just cowardly crap that takes away an opportunity for valuable points.

[BAT]

Originally Posted by AdamJT13

It looked to me like Moorman was calling for the ball while the Redskins were still scrambling.

Moorman was screaming bloody murder at someone after that punt. Initially I thought he was going off on himself because he sent it into the endzone.

[AdamJT13]

Originally Posted by Sarge

Good point.

Except it's not correct. We finished 11th in the percentage of first- or second-down plays that picked up first downs -- higher than five playoff teams, including Green Bay.

[UncFelix28]

Originally Posted by AdamJT13

Except it's not correct. We finished 11th in the percentage of first- or second-down plays that picked up first downs -- higher than five playoff teams, including Green Bay.

People don't like to be exposed & have factual stats in front of their eyes Adam... Better run

[Fritsch_the_cat]

They could have gained 5 easy yards just by snapping the ball before all the Redskin players had made it off the field. Collingsworth said they didn't have 11 men on the field. I'd like to see that again as it looked like only the Redskins down linemen were on the field. I thought maybe the punter could have ran for the first down, but I wasn't really sure what the heck Washington was doing.

[Gaede]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

He doesn't know how to manage the game. End of story. He is in over his head.

There have been so many instances of this boneheaded decision making over the past couple of years that it is pretty much 99% clear that Garrett does not handle these situations well.

His decisions are so boneheaded that it is actually confusing. Where is the method to his madness? It's very unpredictable and without reason or pattern. How many times have we watched a game and have the announcer just utterly confused as to what's going on?

Football is a game of inches. And our coach is more than willing to give up inches and points because of what has transpired in the past and because he's been criticized before.

[Chuck 54]

Originally Posted by goshan

The end of the 2nd half where we punted is totally reflective of how poor JG is at game management and in-game decisions.

Its 3rd down. We are in range for a 52 yard FG. The options should be one of two things:

1. Run the ball or call a short pass play to make the attempt shorter. Then kick it.
2. Take a chance for a pass for the 1st, but then kick it.

YOU ABSOLUTELY DO NOT THROW THE BALL DOWN THE FIELD AND THEN PUNT IT. THAT IS TOTAL CHICKEN XXXX AND JUST STUPID.

You have to try a 52 yard FG. I am sorry, this is the NFL. And we have one of the best kickers in the game.

I want the guy gone.

1. Did you notice both teams kicked to the sideline and short in that direction when kicking off? No way we were going to try a FG of longer than 40, in my opinion in that direction.

2. Every play has a progression with guys in short, medium, and longer patterns. The coach doesn't dictate the audibles or to whom Tony throws the ball. His int on 2nd and 5 in the first quarter wasn't called to throw long to Miles Austin on the sideline...that was one guy in the pattern. Tony decides where to go with the ball. On second down he threw a short crossing route to Witten on sideline that only picked up a yard or two.

That said, I do think we need a fresh approach on offense. The question is how far does that set back Witten and the receivers like Dez in both learning and syncing with Romo?

[Fritsch_the_cat]

Right before the snap. Look how open that left side is. No one home.

9 yards is a long way though, and you can see the Redskin player trying to get over there.

[Picksix]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/dallas...s.php?t=250247

The play takes place at the end of the 2nd video. As WAS is rushing it's PR team onto the field, watch the umpire. Guy perches himself between LP and Moorman, with his hand up, making a "hold on" gesture, until WAS got their players on. Moorman was screaming at the officials after the punt. Not sure if the officials were right, but I don't think so.

Didn't like the call to punt in the first place, but the refs kept us from taking advantage of WAS's confusion.

[Beast_from_East]

Originally Posted by Irving Cowboy

You do realize that if he misses then Washington gets the ball at their own 42, right? They punted instead. Made sense to me.

It was a pure nutless call, even AdamJT called Garrett a COWARD for not going for the points there.


Maybe one of these days we can get a head coach that doesnt wear panties.