Garrett Has Had Full Autonomy Over the Offense For 6 Years

[peplaw06]

Originally Posted by Beast_from_East

Maybe you missed something......JERRY SAID GARRETT HAS HAD FULL AUTONOMY FOR 6 YEARS


I have not changed from anything, this is not my statement. I am simply stating what Jerry said word for word. You also have challenged jack, because you are trying to refute actual quotes from Jerry and apply what you think he meant.


Like I said, it really doesnt matter what you think Jerry meant or who you think is at fault, since you dont sign the checks and Jerry does I will defer to him.

I haven't seen the quote from Jerry... But there's no way Garrett has had FULL AUTONOMY -- as an OC or as a HC.

If you think Garrett as an OC had the ability to trump a Jerry decision in the war room and pick say an OL over say a Jason Williams, then you're delusional. He may have input as to what personnel are brought in on offense, like Risen Star is saying, and likely more input since he's been HC. But full autonomy would mean he's got personnel control. No way he has control. I know Jerry's own quotes refute that idea.

[noshame]

When you cannot get a handle on false starts, you have issues.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

Lol. How did Garrett inherit this OL when Doug Free is the only over who was here when he got the job?

Because when he took over he didn't have a single OL with any talent for the future.

The Cowboys OL isn't this bad simply because of the moves made the last two years. It takes years of inept decision making to literally have a bare cupboard along those five positions.

To hang it on a head coach who's only had serious stroke in the war room over the last couple of offseasons is foolish. Parcells has more blame. Wade Phillips has more blame. Certainly Jerry and Stephen have more blame.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by Beast_from_East

Maybe you missed something......JERRY SAID GARRETT HAS HAD FULL AUTONOMY FOR 6 YEARS


I have not changed from anything, this is not my statement. I am simply stating what Jerry said word for word. You also have challenged jack, because you are trying to refute actual quotes from Jerry and apply what you think he meant.


Like I said, it really doesnt matter what you think Jerry meant or who you think is at fault, since you dont sign the checks and Jerry does I will defer to him.

I didn't miss anything. I just understood what he meant.

He's had full autonomy over the offensive scheme and play calling over the last 6 years. He hasn't had full autonomy over the players within that offense.

This isn't me thinking. It's me knowing. And Jerry Jones would agree with me.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by peplaw06

I haven't seen the quote from Jerry... But there's no way Garrett has had FULL AUTONOMY -- as an OC or as a HC.

If you think Garrett as an OC had the ability to trump a Jerry decision in the war room and pick say an OL over say a Jason Williams, then you're delusional. He may have input as to what personnel are brought in on offense, like Risen Star is saying, and likely more input since he's been HC. But full autonomy would mean he's got personnel control. No way he has control. I know Jerry's own quotes refute that idea.

You'd have to really be clueless to think he's had full autonomy over the last 6 years.

This is fan rant at it's worst.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by visionary

go back to the press conference jerry had when he hired jason

he said something to the effect that 'there will be NO ONE on the team that jason does not want'

the "Garrett Faithful" will not hear of this though

That's irrelevant. He still inherited a roster with no OL talent when he took over. If you want to pretend he's the father of that mess, be my guest.

And that statement was carefully worded. It does not say he will pick the players. It merely says we won't force a player on him.

The only thing I'm faithful to is the truth. I won't rip somebody unless it's called for IMO. When the subject is the current state of the OL, Garrett is way down my list of people to blame.

[Dodger12]

This offense has had Garrett's personal stamp on it for 6 years and this team, in general, for the past two. I don't know what parameters or limitations he's had with regards to personnel but if he had little or minimal say, then that was something he knew taking the job and he should have gone to Baltimore.

JG is, at the very least, partially responsible for what we see on the field. We've had issues beyond just personnel that include basic game day miscues that you wouldn't expect from a high school coach. As CL mentioned, the bulk of this OL was put together over the past 2 years and his family is involved in scouting these players so if JG didn't think he could win with hem, then he should have said something.

I think Jerry has been a miserable failure as a GM but that doesn't give JG a pass under this set of circumstances.

[Chocolate Lab]

Sure if you want to say "full autonomy" is a bit of a stretch, you can say that. But by that very strict definition, almost no head coach in the NFL other than Bill Belichick has "full autonomy", because that would mean being able to cut players at will. It would also mean 100% control over the draft room. And almost no HC has that absolute power.

But that doesn't mean he hasn't had more say than most OCs. Most of us know that Garrett was the co-HC in charge of offense, just the way Jerry wanted it. It's probably the biggest reason he hired Wade to begin with, because he wanted Jason to be in full control.

From before this season:

"The facts are that we have the most continuity on the offensive side of the ball that I can remember, except maybe back when we had Ernie Zampese," Jones said Sunday in Oxnard. "You’ve got to realize that Jason has been the key guy with Romo for five years. The facts are that Jason, for the last five years, has been very influential with how we drafted and how we picked up offensive football players. Very influential for five years. Because Wade was a real delegator. So he had a lot of input in where we are.

Read more here: http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com...#storylink=cpy

RS knows this, he's just a Garrett Homer. His lack of success must be attributed to someone else. His players are no good. And so on.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by Dodger12

This offense has had Garrett's personal stamp on it for 6 years and this team, in general, for the past two. I don't know what parameters or limitations he's had with regards to personnel but if he had little or minimal say, then that was something he knew taking the job and he should have gone to Baltimore.

JG is, at the very least, partially responsible for what we see on the field. We've had issues beyond just personnel that include basic game day miscues that you wouldn't expect from a high school coach. As CL mentioned, the bulk of this OL was put together over the past 2 years and his family is involved in scouting these players so if JG didn't think he could win with hem, then he should have said something.

I think Jerry has been a miserable failure as a GM but that doesn't give JG a pass under this set of circumstances.

Nobody's giving him a pass. He's just not at the top of the blame list for an OL that has been mismanaged and neglected for years before he became the head coach.

Never in the history of the league has an offensive coordinator made draft picks or FA decisions. You guys need to brush up on titles and what they mean within an organization if you believe otherwise. Doesn't mean he can't have input in certain situations, but he sure isn't the decision maker.

Our draft classes of 2003-2010 should have formed the core of our current OL. But when we weren't making bad picks there we were neglecting the positions altogether. That has more to do with what's going on now than anything Jason Garrett has been a part of the last two years.

[sbark]

Gotta look at it this way, wether he inherited an OLine with just Free is irrelavant.

He's been on board for 6 yrs---He has seen the OLine prospects come and go with no demand for better players in the cuboard--either as starters or to develop.

He sure has been damn poor at telling JJ that what he's been giving is below NFL standards,-----or maybe he couldnt tell the difference?

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by sbark

Gotta look at it this way, wether he inherited an OLine with just Free is irrelavant.

He's been on board for 6 yrs---He has seen the OLine prospects come and go with no demand for better players in the cuboard--either as starters or to develop.

He sure has been damn poor at telling JJ that what he's been giving is below NFL standards,-----or maybe he couldnt tell the difference?

Or maybe he simply didn't have the power as an assistant coach to make draft decisions.

This is comical. In a room full of the owner/GM, the head coach and the VP of personnel and director of scouting, the offensive coordinator is dictating draft picks.

Was this before or after the Easter Bunny arrived?

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Or maybe he simply didn't have the power as an assistant coach to make draft decisions.

This is comical. In a room full of the owner/GM, the head coach and the VP of personnel and director of scouting, the offensive coordinator is dictating draft picks.

Was this before or after the Easter Bunny arrived?

Like I said earlier... On Hard Knocks Jerry straight up asked him... "Felix or Mendenhall", and Garrett chose Felix.

It on video. So there is a lot of evidence, including what Chocolatelab posted, that shows Garrett has always had a lot of say in his offensive personel.

[CowboyRoy]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

He has not had full autonomy over the players picked for 6 years. He did not create this OL debacle.

This is a player issue. To blame the OC for 4 years and head coach for the last 2 is foolish.

LOL................sure he didnt create this Oline debacle. The first year that he is here, he cuts all the veteran lineman and puts undrafted FA's and 7th round picks in their place. LOL

In Wades tenure, he was known for not wanting to rely on rookies or young players. The first offseason Garrett comes in, he overhauls the entire line?

Give it a rest. It was Garretts #1 priority when he got here. Great idea, I loved it. But the people he has brought in to fill those holes has been absolutely abysmal. Two years in a row now.

[CowboyRoy]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

Like I said earlier... On Hard Knocks Jerry straight up asked him... "Felix or Mendenhall", and Garrett chose Felix.

It on video. So there is a lot of evidence, including what Chocolatelab posted, that shows Garrett has always had a lot of say in his offensive personel.

Yep......we all saw it. He asked Garrett what he should do, and Garrett chose the backup, scat back.

And then to top it off, Felix rode the bench for most of the first year until Barber got hurt. In fact, his first two years on the Cowboys, Garrett barely incorporated him into the offense. So this was his hand picked first round pick. His newest toy for his offense and he barely uses him? Garrett is the worst. Hands down the worst I have EVER seen. Its not even close.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

Like I said earlier... On Hard Knocks Jerry straight up asked him... "Felix or Mendenhall", and Garrett chose Felix.

It on video. So there is a lot of evidence, including what Chocolatelab posted, that shows Garrett has always had a lot of say in his offensive personel.

Yeah, that's one incident where he had some say. Did he make the determination to pick one of those two players? Did he make the call to stay there and use the pick and not accept a trade?

Did he sign off on Mike Jenkins because there weren't any OL he wanted there? Was he responsible for James Marten? Robert Brewster? Were those his ideas?

Does anybody but a frustrated Dallas fan believe this is even remotely logical?

Who's running the Giants war room? Kevin Gilbride?