Ya'll fix the o-line at all cost are delusional

[Deep_Freeze]

Originally Posted by IrishAnto

In other words you don't have an explanation how he did it!!!!

Yep! The Steelers and 49ers are loosing teams and the Cowboys are winners.

Keep trying.

Nah I was looking for your answer that they didn't do jack in the other games, which is the truth. Cherry picking stats is just a convenient way to try to cherry pick results, just like you can cherry pick the better play by the OL at the end of the season and say its fine too. Problem is, neither is fine.....and I wish people would realize they don't have to pick sides and know that all of the problems are of equal importance, and not just their pet cats.

The Steelers did make a high pick there in 2010 and 2012, 18th and 24th respectively....and they missed the playoffs this year for the first time in years. The 9ers are your one shining example, and while they haven't won anything yet, you have a tendency to leave out the Browns, Jets, Dolphins, and such who stink cause of it.

[coogrfan]

Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

My point is Big Ben, Eli and Rodgers all had to deal with average or below average olines, they managed to win Super Bowls. If Romo has to have the perfect oline, the perfect Wr's, the perfect RB--is he really that good to begin with? If he gets them and they score in bunches, but the defense can't stop anyone will it really matter?

I see one problem with this comparison: the 2012 Boys didn't have "an average to below average oline". For most of the season our oline play was, to put it mildly, utterly abysmal.

No one is saying Romo needs a perfect situation, but it should be obvious to anyone who watched this team this season that he definitely needs a better supporting cast.

Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

Dline/pass rush first, oline next, safety third (if the Boys don't think Church comes back 100% healthy).

I would have no problem with this set of draft priorities.

[IrishAnto]

Originally Posted by Deep_Freeze

Nah I was looking for your answer that they didn't do jack in the other games, which is the truth. Cherry picking stats is just a convenient way to try to cherry pick results, just like you can cherry pick the better play by the OL at the end of the season and say its fine too. Problem is, neither is fine.....and I wish people would realize they don't have to pick sides and know that all of the problems are important, and not just their pet cats.

The Steelers did make a high pick there in 2010 and 2012, 18th and 24th respectively....and they missed the playoffs this year for the first time in years. The 9ers are your one shining example, and while they haven't won anything yet, you have a tendency to leave out the Browns, Jets, Dolphins, and such who stink cause of it.

You can't answer the question, so save the Cherry picking BS.

Oh! I think the Steelers might have made a Super Bowl in 2010.

So who's Cherry picking?

[Vinnie2u]

Could you imagine this board if Goodel makes the following announcement. With the 18th pick in the NFL 2013 draft. The Dallas cowboys select Matt Barkley qb USC.

[Deep_Freeze]

Originally Posted by IrishAnto

You can't answer the question, so save the Cherry picking BS.

Oh! I think the Steelers might have made a Super Bowl in 2010.

So who's Cherry picking?

You cherry picked your stats from PP, don't know why you deny that. The OL isn't good cause they finished the season well just like those safeties weren't good either, the OL still needs to be improved upon.

This team needs alot of improvement and its bout time that all these 'sides' realize that its not just one thing we need. We need OL, DL, and S and there is no particular order of the need cause none are premium positions other than pass rusher. Now if you want a pass rusher you have to take it early, but the other positions aren't hard to find later.

[SkinsandTerps]

Originally Posted by Vinnie2u

Could you imagine this board if Goodel makes the following announcement. With the 18th pick in the NFL 2013 draft. The Dallas cowboys select Matt Barkley qb USC.

I am still trying to figure out what positions you think they will draft if not OL.

[goshan]

I think you will see a RB and WR taken in the 1st five rounds, unless we address in FA.

I think the offseason will be about:

OL, DL, RB, WR

[Vinnie2u]

Originally Posted by SkinsandTerps

I am still trying to figure out what positions you think they will draft if not OL.

Thanks for asking. Improving the pass rush is #1 DE or OLB.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by Vinnie2u

Looking into my Chrystal ball. And knowing team history. We are not using a high draft pick 1-4 on a center or guard.

OLinemen picked in the top 3 rounds after Jimmy was with the Cowboys:

1994
Larry Allen
George Hegamin
1995
Kendell Watkins (Cowboys thought he could play OC or OG)
Shane Hannah
1996
Clay Shiver
1997
Steve Scifres
1998
Flozell Adams
1999
Solomon Page
2002
Andre Gurode
2003
Al Johnson
2004
Jacob Rogers
Stephen Peterman
2007
James Marten
2009
Robert Brewster
2011
Tyron Smith

I didn't include the 4th round where they picked Free and Arkin.

[braw]

An Oline fix is not hard to do when you have the right QB and RB. Because if you look at the Redskins they went from the 25th ranked rushing team in 2011 to the #1 rushing team in 2012. What was the difference the QB and RB both rookies. The exact same line yet different results. Its the execution of the running plays and the commitment to the running plays that work.

Our OC runs a ADD type of offense, its all over the place and cant stick to one thing. He calls for an off tackle wham run play makes 8 yds from the I formation then sends in different a different group and runs a reverse with a WR. Its makes no sense how he calls plays. The only thing I can think of is he calls his plays based on stats at that particular down and distance based on stats weakness of that defense on that down and distance.

[Oh_Canada]

Originally Posted by Reverend Conehead

??????????????????????????? Did you watch the same season I did? Did you see the constant false starts by our o-line, especially in the first 8 or 9 games? Every one of those teams clearly had better o-lines in their Super Bowl years than we had this season.

Do you know the Cowboys oline had the second least falst starts in the NFL??

Those teams didn't have better olines. Giants had an awful running game all year last year, they did improve pass protection over the course of the year kind of the same way Dallas did this year.

Pittsburgh 2008- Max Starks-Chris Kemoeatu-Justin Hartwig-Darnell Stapleton-Willie Colon....THAT was there oline. Brutal. Ask any Steeler fan and they still shake their head.

Green Bay's oline has been far worse than Dallas over the last three years.

[IrishAnto]

Originally Posted by Deep_Freeze

You cherry picked your stats from PP, don't know why you deny that. The OL isn't good cause they finished the season well just like those safeties weren't good either, the OL still needs to be improved upon.

This team needs alot of improvement and its bout time that all these 'sides' realize that its not just one thing we need. We need OL, DL, and S and there is no particular order of the need cause none are premium positions other than pass rusher. Now if you want a pass rusher you have to take it early, but the other positions aren't hard to find later.

You obviously don’t understand the concept of Cherry Picking.

Originally Posted by Deep_Freeze

The Steelers did make a high pick there in 2010 and 2012, 18th and 24th respectively....and they missed the playoffs this year for the first time in years.

Telling me the Steelers drafted OL high in 2010. & 2012 and then pointing out they didn't make the playoffs in 2012 while neglecting to mention they went to the Super Bowl in 2010 is Cherry Picking.

I rebutted your statement we needed to get rid of Gerald Sensabaugh to generate more turnovers by pointing on that in the 8 games PP was in charge of the defense he generated 20 turnovers with Sensabaugh and Ball at safety.

I asked you why was that if the Safety position was so important to generating turnovers?

You obviously can't answer the question so resort to prevarication.

So answer the question or move on.

[jnday]

Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

Do you know the Cowboys oline had the second least falst starts in the NFL??

Those teams didn't have better olines. Giants had an awful running game all year last year, they did improve pass protection over the course of the year kind of the same way Dallas did this year.

Pittsburgh 2008- Max Starks-Chris Kemoeatu-Justin Hartwig-Darnell Stapleton-Willie Colon....THAT was there oline. Brutal. Ask any Steeler fan and they still shake their head.

Green Bay's oline has been far worse than Dallas over the last three years.

Why keep comparing? Different teams, different offenses, different players.

[Oh_Canada]

Originally Posted by jnday

Why keep comparing? Different teams, different offenses, different players.

Ok-guess it means nothing.

[Deep_Freeze]

Originally Posted by IrishAnto

You obviously don’t understand the concept of Cherry Picking.

Telling me the Steelers drafted OL high in 2010. & 2012 and then pointing out they didn't make the playoffs in 2012 while neglecting to mention they went to the Super Bowl in 2010 is Cherry Picking.

I rebutted your statement we needed to get rid of Gerald Sensabaugh to generate more turnovers by pointing on that in the 8 games PP was in charge of the defense he generated 20 turnovers with Sensabaugh and Ball at safety.

I asked you why was that if the Safety position was so important to generating turnovers?

You obviously can't answer the question so resort to prevarication.

So answer the question or move on.

Yep, they are both cherry picking, but I understand its only cherry picking when I do it, not you.

As for your favorite PP stat, guess you are having an affair with the guy you bring it up so much. Before and since that span they have done absolutely nothing, but during that span they did well. Maybe you should go hire PP back from UConn to fulfill your fetish for 8 games 2 years ago, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the position needs talent just like I'm not saying that the last few games for the OL means we don't need talent on the OL.

Its not hard to see really, both positions along with pass rusher need talent.