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mmillman · 01-03-2013

The blue-chippers (5)
LT Russell Okung: Drafted in first round (No. 6 overall), 2010
S Earl Thomas: Drafted in first round (No. 14), 2010
LB Bobby Wagner: Drafted in second round (No. 47), 2012
QB Russell Wilson: Drafted in third round (No. 75), 2012
WR Golden Tate: Drafted in second round (No. 60), 2010
More bang for the buck (4)
CB Richard Sherman: Drafted in fifth round (No. 154), 2011
S Kam Chancellor: Drafted in fifth round (No. 133), 2010
LB K.J. Wright: Drafted in fourth round (No. 99), 2011
RG J.R. Sweezy: Drafted in seventh round (No. 225), 2012
Hidden gems (2)
CB Brandon Browner: Signed in 2011 after playing in Canada
DE Chris Clemons: Acquired in trade from Eagles, 2010
The leftover bin (4)
RB Marshawn Lynch: Acquired in trade from Bills, 2010
RT Breno Giacomini: Signed off Packers' practice squad, 2010
FB Michael Robinson: Signed in 2010 after 49ers released him
LG Paul McQuistan: Signed in 2011
Shopping list (3)
WR Sidney Rice: Signed as unrestricted free agent in 2011
TE Zach Miller: Signed as unrestricted free agent in 2011
DT Alan Branch: Signed as unrestricted free agent in 2011
The holdovers (4)
DE Red Bryant: Drafted by previous regime in 2008
DT Brandon Mebane: Drafted by previous regime in 2007
C Max Unger: Drafted by previous regime in 2009
LB Leroy Hill: Drafted by previous regime in 2005

Note: Seahawks hit on some good draft picks but also picked up solid players in free agency, from Canada, from other teams practice squad and good trades. Jerry doesn't put in the time or have the skill set to accomplish the above. He is an oilman playing fantasy football.

Switz · 01-03-2013

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Originally Posted by mmillman

The blue-chippers (5)
LT Russell Okung: Drafted in first round (No. 6 overall), 2010
S Earl Thomas: Drafted in first round (No. 14), 2010
LB Bobby Wagner: Drafted in second round (No. 47), 2012
QB Russell Wilson: Drafted in third round (No. 75), 2012
WR Golden Tate: Drafted in second round (No. 60), 2010
More bang for the buck (4)
CB Richard Sherman: Drafted in fifth round (No. 154), 2011
S Kam Chancellor: Drafted in fifth round (No. 133), 2010
LB K.J. Wright: Drafted in fourth round (No. 99), 2011
RG J.R. Sweezy: Drafted in seventh round (No. 225), 2012
Hidden gems (2)
CB Brandon Browner: Signed in 2011 after playing in Canada
DE Chris Clemons: Acquired in trade from Eagles, 2010
The leftover bin (4)
RB Marshawn Lynch: Acquired in trade from Bills, 2010
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If they win the superbowl Ill agree. Until then they are the 6th seed with no home games. Only time will tell how this group will do. We will see

superpunk · 01-03-2013

Duh.

It's always been about the draft and smart FA pickups, particularly undrafted free agents. There's not enough money to buy a championship and there never has been. When we won in the 90s it was because we won in the draft.

FWIW when Parcells left that's alot what our roster looked like. It was littered with homegrown players. It still is, I guess. They're just not very good.

jterrell · 01-03-2013

ROFL.

Are we really talking about the Seahags now as a model?

Good grief.

They are benefiting from a system that defenses can't yet handle.
The overall talent on that team stems from being below .500 and thus drafting high 4 consecutive seasons leading into this year.

Soo all we have to do is give Jerry four years of under .500 to build this team....

mmillman · 01-03-2013

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Originally Posted by Switz

If they win the superbowl Ill agree. Until then they are the 6th seed with no home games. Only time will tell how this group will do. We will see

please, that team was crap a couple of years ago. Look at the dates of acquisition. All fairly recently. Bottom line Dallas is out Seattle is in because of quality coaching and a good GM. Dallas has neither and it is depressing.

morasp · 01-03-2013

Good post. It sure hasn't taken them very long. One of their blue chippers is a safety I can't help but wonder what a blue chip safety could do for us. Didn't they make the playoffs the first year Pete took over as head coach?

Yakuza Rich · 01-03-2013

I don't think Okung has played well there, IIRC. Could be wrong.

Also, this is their first winning season since 2007. And that's been in the awful NFC West.

That being said, what struck me about them is how they focused on rebuilding the secondary with physical players who could cover and tackle. They have a lot of depth in the secondary as well. They make it hard for offenses because it's difficult to pass against them and because everybody can tackle in the secondary, they are less apt to give up big plays.

YR

DCfaninDC · 01-03-2013

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Originally Posted by mmillman

Note: Seahawks hit on some good draft picks but also picked up solid players in free agency, from Canada, from other teams practice squad and good trades. Jerry doesn't put in the time or have the skill set to accomplish the above. He is an oilman playing fantasy football.

I am not defending Jerry but I believe you would have had a similar roster for the Eagles had they been any better. You are merely stating a fact, drafting and FA done the right way can build a tam good.

mmillman · 01-03-2013

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Originally Posted by jterrell

ROFL.

Are we really talking about the Seahags now as a model?

Good grief.

They are benefiting from a system that defenses can't yet handle.
The overall talent on that team stems from being below .500 and thus drafting high 4 consecutive seasons leading into this year.

Soo all we have to do is give Jerry four years of under .500 to build this team....

They have one high draft pick, Okung, in that list. What are you talking about? They are a great example of how to acquire talent and a great example of what Dallas is not doing.

"Those who don't learn from the past are destined to repeat it"
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Einstein

Hostile · 01-03-2013

Wow. If Golden Tate is a blue chipper, then Dez is something way beyond.

jterrell · 01-03-2013

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Originally Posted by superpunk

Duh.

It's always been about the draft and smart FA pickups, particularly undrafted free agents. There's not enough money to buy a championship and there never has been. When we won in the 90s it was because we won in the draft.

FWIW when Parcells left that's alot what our roster looked like. It was littered with homegrown players. It still is, I guess. They're just not very good.

BP's misses in the draft are what is killing our current lineup.
Sturm did a break down of how we draft the same positions every few years because we failed to draft well.

Carpenter and Fasano were BP's last two r1 and r2 choices. He also selected Al Johnson, Jacob Rogers in the 2nd rounds.

He had a lot of killer misses and added to the woes with some over the hill gang FA signings.

BP helped us in many ways but his talent acquisition was fair to middling.

ajk23az · 01-03-2013

Seahawks have a bright future with that defense. Sherman and Browner is arguably the top CB duo in football, Chancellor is one helluva safety, as is Early Thomas, their LB core is young and aggressive and their dline with Clemons and Branch is big and can pass rush.

morasp · 01-03-2013

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Originally Posted by jterrell

BP's misses in the draft are what is killing our current lineup.
Sturm did a break down of how we draft the same positions every few years because we failed to draft well.

Carpenter and Fasano were BP's last two r1 and r2 choices. He also selected Al Johnson, Jacob Rogers in the 2nd rounds.

He had a lot of killer misses and added to the woes with some over the hill gang FA signings.

BP helped us in many ways but his talent acquisition was fair to middling.

I actually think that Garrett has done better adding talented players than Parcells did. So far our drafts have been pretty solid. Offensive line is still a work in progress but the offseason was more about defense than offense.

superpunk · 01-03-2013

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Originally Posted by jterrell

BP's misses in the draft are what is killing our current lineup.
Sturm did a break down of how we draft the same positions every few years because we failed to draft well.

Carpenter and Fasano were BP's last two r1 and r2 choices. He also selected Al Johnson, Jacob Rogers in the 2nd rounds.

He had a lot of killer misses and added to the woes with some over the hill gang FA signings.

BP helped us in many ways but his talent acquisition was fair to middling.

We were able to knock it out of the park though in rounds like the 4th and 7th where we would find players like Canty, Barber, Ratliff, Crayton, etc.

The trouble is that since then we haven't been able to supplement that starting with our ST draft in the Wade era. We are skilled at picking blue chippers but when it comes to filling out our roster with solid players who give us 3-4 affordable years after the draft, or Colombo's and Kosiers who come in on the cheap and give us solid play for a long time, we fail.

mmillman · 01-03-2013

Seattle is going into Washington in a do or die game, sound familiar?

I don't think Washington will be able to run on them like they did on Dallas. Washington's WR's are overmatched across the board.

My point is look at the mid round talent and moves in free agency and look how quickly that team was turned into a playoff team. Quality coaching and a quality GM will do that.

Okung has been hurt most of the time in the league. He is healthy and playing well now, but he is the only top 10 draft pick that is a key contributor on that team.

It was reported, I don't know how accurately, that Dallas was going to draft Unger a couple of years ago. Seattle jumped up in front of them and drafted him. He is playing at a pro bowl level now. He would have been a great fit in Dallas, sigh.