Here is how a team is built

[Clove]

Originally Posted by Switz

If they win the super bowl Ill agree. Until then they are the 6th seed with no home games. Only time will tell how this group will do. We will see

This.

Why do we post things like this before someone actually does something like win a Super Bowl?

You win a Super Bowl by having a Good Coach, a clutch QB, and an identity. Who were we? Were we an offensive team? Couldn't tell. Defensive? Couldn't tell.

Ball control? No clue. A great coach will cut out all the small BS penalties and have their team executing on all cylinders. A clutch QB will come through no matter what, and will not be bothered by the pressure of those December/January games.

Through-out the game Sunday, we made mistake after mistake. That's not what a great team does. Doesn't matter if you can run with the big dogs if you are not a smooth engine executing flawlessly.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by mmillman

They have one high draft pick, Okung, in that list. What are you talking about? They are a great example of how to acquire talent and a great example of what Dallas is not doing.

"Those who don't learn from the past are destined to repeat it"
Santayama

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result"
Einstein

Those 4 losing seasons mean picking high EACH round not just in r1.

They chose 4th in 2009. 6th in 2010. (and again at 14 btw).

Dallas picked 6th last year but it cost them Bobby Wagner whom they would have selected had they kept the 2nd round pick.

Seattle has had 1 double digit win season and 1 playoff appearance. They are playing very well and getting a ton out of a 3rd round rookie QB. If that rookie QB no longer delivers they are back at .500 with us.

Their list isn't much difference from the one Dallas has. Where there would be a difference is if you list our IL compared to theirs.

Again, it is goofy to use a team with 1 playoff appearance and 1 winning season in half a decade as a model for team building. Most organizations can field a winner after 4 years of losing.

[mmillman]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Wow. If Golden Tate is a blue chipper, then Dez is something way beyond.

Golden Tate was drafted early is what I was saying. He isn't elite but he contributed in a run heavy offense. 688 yards and 7 touchdowns. Every team needs guys like him. Amendola could have been that here but the geniuses in Dallas let him go. Harris shows some good potential, but the geniuses in Dallas thought it was Ogletree early on instead.

[Double Trouble]

Originally Posted by jterrell

ROFL.

Are we really talking about the Seahags now as a model?

Good grief.

They are benefiting from a system that defenses can't yet handle.
The overall talent on that team stems from being below .500 and thus drafting high 4 consecutive seasons leading into this year.

Soo all we have to do is give Jerry four years of under .500 to build this team....

4 would be a lot better than another 17.

[DCfaninDC]

Originally Posted by Clove

This.

Why do we post things like this before someone actually does something like win a Super Bowl?

You win a Super Bowl by having a Good Coach, a clutch QB, and an identity. Who were we? Were we an offensive team? Couldn't tell. Defensive? Couldn't tell.

Ball control? No clue. A great coach will cut out all the small BS penalties and have their team executing on all cylinders. A clutch QB will come through no matter what, and will not be bothered by the pressure of those December/January games.

Through-out the game Sunday, we made mistake after mistake. That's not what a great team does. Doesn't matter if you can run with the big dogs if you are not a smooth engine executing flawlessly.

Would you agree Pittsburgh is a Defense oriented team? where are they now?

Identity?!?! You are just repeating something you heard on ESPN.

[mmillman]

Originally Posted by jterrell

Those 4 losing seasons mean picking high EACH round not just in r1.

They chose 4th in 2009. 6th in 2010. (and again at 14 btw).

Dallas picked 6th last year but it cost them Bobby Wagner whom they would have selected had they kept the 2nd round pick.

Seattle has had 1 double digit win season and 1 playoff appearance. They are playing very well and getting a ton out of a 3rd round rookie QB. If that rookie QB no longer delivers they are back at .500 with us.

Their list isn't much difference from the one Dallas has. Where there would be a difference is if you list our IL compared to theirs.

Again, it is goofy to use a team with 1 playoff appearance and 1 winning season in half a decade as a model for team building. Most organizations can field a winner after 4 years of losing.

Aaron Curry in 2009 is not on the team and maybe not in the league that was a whiff by another GM and coach, sound familiar

2010 was Okung at 6 I believe and he has been hurt most of the time

2011 was Carpenter late and he has been injured also.

2012 Bruce Irvin. contributor pass rushing but doesn't start

My point is despite what you and others are saying Seattle didn't build by drafting in the top ten for 5 years and acquire obvious elite talent. They were built in Free agency and solid drafting in the middle rounds.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by superpunk

We were able to knock it out of the park though in rounds like the 4th and 7th where we would find players like Canty, Barber, Ratliff, Crayton, etc.

The trouble is that since then we haven't been able to supplement that starting with our ST draft in the Wade era. We are skilled at picking blue chippers but when it comes to filling out our roster with solid players who give us 3-4 affordable years after the draft, or Colombo's and Kosiers who come in on the cheap and give us solid play for a long time, we fail.

we've continued that with guys like scandrick, lissemore and brent.

missing on players in rounds 1 and 2 is what kills you. bp had far too many misses there when he overruled his own scouts.

we got ware but only because jerry intervened. bp was going to take the very mediocre marcus spears up there that high....

he graded julius jones at the same level as stephen jackson.

bp brought in good scouting personnel but he sucked as a main draft resource.

our drafts have been good minus the terrible rw11 apocalypse where it seems we didnt bother to scout but rather threw darts on draft day.

we've also brought in better street free agents than any team in football the past couple seasons: laurent, ernie sims et al.

bp missing with his ol selections is what has us hurting along the ol right now.

[perrykemp]

Here is how to build a Superbowl team:

Draft a Top 3 QB -- think Aaron Rodgers in GB or Peyton Manning in Indy and then every year keep drafting WRs, TEs, and offense in general to make sure that top 1-3 QB always has plenty of targets.

That approach doesn't guarantee Superbowl but it does mean you'll be in the running each and every year and eventually you'll probably win one.

That's all.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by mmillman

Aaron Curry in 2009 is not on the team and maybe not in the league that was a whiff by another GM and coach, sound familiar

2010 was Okung at 6 I believe and he has been hurt most of the time

2011 was Carpenter late and he has been injured also.

2012 Bruce Irvin. contributor pass rushing but doesn't start

My point is despite what you and others are saying Seattle didn't build by drafting in the top ten for 5 years and acquire obvious elite talent. They were built in Free agency and solid drafting in the middle rounds.

try reading the 1st line you replied to.

the seahags were a bad team for 4 years in a row. they played 4th place schedules in a terrible conference and played a lot of young guys to see who could play. what they did is hardly amazing or rare. they had half a decade to rebuild into a young quality team.

they were able to trade picks because they had high draft slots. that means they had more ammo than other teams.

you are supposed to add talent when you are bad. you dont get special awards for turning it around in 5 years.

carroll came in after 3 failed seasons and had young talent on the team and high draft picks to work with. the high salaries were mostly cleared out and he had tools to work with.

and again, this year was largely based on running a new offensive system. once the nfl adjusts to that we'll see how seattle fares. it is ironic because this week they face the only other nfl team running that system.
a team very like them that has been built through being bad for a while.
you might as well have listed the redskins here.
they have at least won a division.

you are just holding on to a weak argument here.

the seahags arent a model for team building at this point.

[RastaRocket]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Wow. If Golden Tate is a blue chipper, then Dez is something way beyond.

Was thinking the same thing.

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by jterrell

we've continued that with guys like scandrick, lissemore and brent.

1 starter (not technically but Scandrick plays enough to be considered that) and a couple scrubs who haven't played and now won't play?

missing on players in rounds 1 and 2 is what kills you. bp had far too many misses there when he overruled his own scouts.

Missing on players anywhere kills you. Would have been nice to hit on all our mid first rounders but that doesn't happen. We did enough in the later rounds to offset that - and what's more important, offset that economically. And where we didn't hit in the draft (OL) we were able to hit in free agency for affordable prices in most cases. We got alot of decent years out of Kosier and Colombo and a couple great ones out of Davis. We haven't even come close to replicating that success since our savior left town. What we've done is fail miserably and hope that Tony can be good enough to cover for all our holes.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by Double Trouble

4 would be a lot better than another 17.

we've been under .500 for 17 years? or you mean you've cried tears 17 years?



reading is fundamental.

[jobberone]

Originally Posted by perrykemp

Here is how to build a Superbowl team:

Draft a Top 3 QB -- think Aaron Rodgers in GB or Peyton Manning in Indy and then every year keep drafting WRs, TEs, and offense in general to make sure that top 1-3 QB always has plenty of targets.

That approach doesn't guarantee Superbowl but it does mean you'll be in the running each and every year and eventually you'll probably win one.

That's all.

Are you saying don't worry about the defense?

[mmillman]

Originally Posted by jterrell

we've continued that with guys like scandrick, lissemore and brent.

missing on players in rounds 1 and 2 is what kills you. bp had far too many misses there when he overruled his own scouts.

we got ware but only because jerry intervened. bp was going to take the very mediocre marcus spears up there that high....

he graded julius jones at the same level as stephen jackson.

bp brought in good scouting personnel but he sucked as a main draft resource.

our drafts have been good minus the terrible rw11 apocalypse where it seems we didnt bother to scout but rather threw darts on draft day.

we've also brought in better street free agents than any team in football the past couple seasons: laurent, ernie sims et al.

bp missing with his ol selections is what has us hurting along the ol right now.

What are you taling about!!!!?!!!! Going back to what should be the core of the team.

2008 draft was terrible. Two #1 draft picks and neither will be here this year. Scandrick will be here but is overpaid and he is the only thing left.
2009 draft was abysmal. Of the few left no big contributors.
2010 draft Dez and Lee. Dez is coming on but remains an off and on the field knucklehead and Lee ( slipped due to injury) remains injury prone but I would agree could be really good. The rest of the draft was poor.
2011 is the injury plagued draft class but may be a good one if Smith ( who has been mediocre so far but I would agree has big upside - Ryan wanted Watt) Carter has had a half year of production and was injury prone in College again why he slipped. Murray, injury prone in college, injury prone here. Not much else
2012 - too early but not seeing a lot past the potential of Claiborne

By any standards that is terrible drafting, terrible maneuvering in free agency, terrible cap management and terrible trades.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by superpunk

1 starter (not technically but Scandrick plays enough to be considered that) and a couple scrubs who haven't played and now won't play?



Missing on players anywhere kills you. Would have been nice to hit on all our mid first rounders but that doesn't happen. We did enough in the later rounds to offset that - and what's more important, offset that economically. And where we didn't hit in the draft (OL) we were able to hit in free agency for affordable prices in most cases. We got alot of decent years out of Kosier and Colombo and a couple great ones out of Davis. We haven't even come close to replicating that success since our savior left town. What we've done is fail miserably and hope that Tony can be good enough to cover for all our holes.

no offense but here are you simply batty.

1. kosier wasn't cheap. 5m per year. 7 years ago.
2. Bigg was VERY expensive and never a great value. he did have a great season then a good one followed shortly thereafter by let down.
3. lissemore and brent were both playing tons of minutes and provided brent can remain out of jail both will continue to play tons of minutes. brent and lissemore could be starters. brent would have been the starter next year if he hadn't driven drunk.
4. dallas main issue is not having elite level talent. you get that in r1 and r2 or overpaying it in free agency. bp missing so much early cost us elite level talent like stephen jackson.
5. when we took barbie the next 2 picks were cromartie and tamba hali. that stings for years to come.
6. after we took fasono is the same failed 2006 draft the next 4 picks were bernard pollard, andrew whitworth, chris chester and devin hester. again... ouch!!!!

again bp did some good things but he wasnt a savior by any means. as seen by the 1 playoff win since he signed.