Pa. governor sues NCAA over Penn State sanctions

[BrAinPaiNt]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Sorry but you are wrong but whatever. You always have been on this. It's not whining when you have the facts and you don't. Due process was NOT observed. The witch hunt was what they they got. Just because the act was so heinous by one and covered up by two others you don't punish thousands and thousands of people. That's not how justice is supposed to work.

Here is a fact.

THEY AGREED TO THE PUNISHMENT.

FACT!

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

Here is a fact.

THEY AGREED TO THE PUNISHMENT.

FACT!

Way to ignore the facts Brain.

SMH.

Whatever.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Way to ignore the facts Brain.

SMH.

Whatever.

I presented the FACT and you claim that I ignore it.

They agreed to it.

As much as you wish that pesky little fact did not exist...it does.

[ABQCOWBOY]

The problem I have with all of this is not the punishment or if Penn St. got handled correctly or not. The problem I have with this is that these violations were reported as early as 1985 to the NCAA. The NCAA did an internal investigation all of this was neatly swept under the Rug. Problem being that from about 68 to 96, Penn St. was a gold mind for the NCAA. They were in no hurry to end that so they conveniently ignored some of the things that were going on. That's not right and I personally have a hard time with the fact that the NCAA is going to skate on that scott free.

[BrAinPaiNt]

You guys know that The Big 10 could just drop them as well if they wanted...and who knows maybe they will after they get more teams for expansion.

Heck...once the major 4 leagues finish with their expansion...don't be shocked if they break away from the NCAA all together.

Either way...no matter how anyone wants to frame this situation, Penn State brought it upon themselves.

They either believed they were guilty and agreed to the punishment...or they wanted out of the press and this embarrassment and agreed to the punishment to get out of the lime light.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

I presented the FACT and you claim that I ignore it.

They agreed to it.

As much as you wish that pesky little fact did not exist...it does.

Yeah, you totally ignore all the facts. Like I said, whatever. You only see one side and that is all you want to see.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Yeah, you totally ignore all the facts. Like I said, whatever. You only see one side and that is all you want to see.

YOU only see one side of it.

If this was not Penn State and you had no ties to it...you would not be as passionate about it and I would be willing to bet money you would be on the other side of the fence about it as well...but that is my opinion.

What is NOT my opinion is the FACT that PENN STATE agreed to the punishment.

Again..no matter how much you try to wiggle away from that fact...you can not.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

The problem I have with all of this is not the punishment or if Penn St. got handled correctly or not. The problem I have with this is that these violations were reported as early as 1985 to the NCAA. The NCAA did an internal investigation all of this was neatly swept under the Rug. Problem being that from about 68 to 96, Penn St. was a gold mind for the NCAA. They were in no hurry to end that so they conveniently ignored some of the things that were going on. That's not right and I personally have a hard time with the fact that the NCAA is going to skate on that scott free.

It was people that failed those kids. Not the college. It's absurd to punish people who had NOTHING to do with it just get their "drop of blood" which is what Brainpaint and others are doing. They don't look at all the facts just crow about "They accepted it so it must be fair".
Stupid logic if ever there was any.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Funny coming from a guy who forged a reputation when the political zone was alive of being the resident fence sitter. Now you can only see one detail.
Hilarious.

When it comes to those that looked the other way over child molestation...You darn right I am on one side of the fence and frankly I find it disgusting for those on the other side of this issue.

There will be only ONE side of the fence you will find me one when it comes to those that perpetrate or turn a blind eye towards the molesting of children.

I don't care if it was a family members that did the molesting and other family members that looked the other way and let it go on.

No sitting on the fence when it comes to this topic.

So you can take that fence sitting snide remark of yours and throw it away because I care more about a child than a greedy university that did it's best to hide that kind of thing and those that defend it.

If you had no ties to Penn State I would hope you would be on the same side of the fence as I am...sadly since you do have ties you are on the other side of the fence...either way....the fact remains they agreed to the punishment so if you are mad about anything...be mad at the leadership at Penn State that let this crap go on for years and be mad at the leadership that agreed to the punishment.

Don't be mad at those that condemn it.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

When it comes to those that looked the other way over child molestation...You darn right I am on one side of the fence and frankly I find it disgusting for those on the other side of this issue.

Oh spare me the soliloquy. No one is saying those responsible shouldn't be punished. Lose the stupid high horse argument.

Either you are just acting stupid for the sake of your misinformed opinion or you are being purposefully obstinate.

You aren't anymore outraged over these kids being abused than me or anyone else. It's just that we want those responsible punished and the ones who are not to be left alone.

And that is the FACT that you refuse to even consider.

[Sasquatch]

I love how the political zone continually haunts his board despite being dead for how many years now?

Always brings a smile to my face. Good times.

[Cajuncowboy]

All people who live in West Virginia should go to jail...

http://www.wsaz.com/news/headlines/T...168559156.html

Because they are in the same state they obviously had something to do with the murders. Further, all future people moving to the state should spend time in jail as well just because.

(I am applying the Brainpaint philosophy here as stupid as it is.)

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

It was people that failed those kids. Not the college. It's absurd to punish people who had NOTHING to do with it just get their "drop of blood" which is what Brainpaint and others are doing. They don't look at all the facts just crow about "They accepted it so it must be fair".
Stupid logic if ever there was any.

I'm sorry Cajun, I can't agree here. It may have been people but the brand of Penn State was, IMO, what was at the heart of "People" not doing the right thing. The University has to go down and the sooner this process is done, the sooner Penn St. can rise again.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

I'm sorry Cajun, I can't agree here. It may have been people but the brand of Penn State was, IMO, what was at the heart of "People" not doing the right thing. The University has to go down and the sooner this process is done, the sooner Penn St. can rise again.

The fear of losing their jobs is what was at the heart of it. Individuals care more about themselves than any brand or any image for an institution if it means their own own hide is on the line.
Sean Lee and every other player had nothing to do with it but all his wins were vacated. They were stripped of all accomplishments and were made to be pariahs because of the witch hunt.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

The fear of losing their jobs is what was at the heart of it. Individuals care more about themselves than any brand or any image for an institution if it means their own own hide is on the line.
Sean Lee and every other player had nothing to do with it but all his wins were vacated. They were stripped of all accomplishments and were made to be pariahs because of the witch hunt.

No. You might be able to make the case of that with the everyday people but the very senior folks, I don't think that plays. Penn St. at the very highest levels, was aware of what was going on within the Football Program and they neglected to act. The brand was more important and that just can't happen. I can sympathies with the players but it's still a situation that can not be left unpunished.

Besides, the real issue here is not the NCAA. The real issue here is the perception the public has with Penn St. PSU must accept this and move on. It's the only way the public will allow them to come back into the fold. If they don't do this, PSU will never reclaim the stature it once had. The best thing for PSU is to just accept the punishment and move on IMO.

That's just what I think Cajun.