Pa. governor sues NCAA over Penn State sanctions

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

I love how the political zone continually haunts his board despite being dead for how many years now?

Always brings a smile to my face. Good times.

Yep.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

No. You might be able to make the case of that with the everyday people but the very senior folks, I don't think that plays. Penn St. at the very highest levels, was aware of what was going on within the Football Program and they neglected to act. The brand was more important and that just can't happen. I can sympathies with the players but it's still a situation that can not be left unpunished.

Besides, the real issue here is not the NCAA. The real issue here is the perception the public has with Penn St. PSU must accept this and move on. It's the only way the public will allow them to come back into the fold. If they don't do this, PSU will never reclaim the stature it once had. The best thing for PSU is to just accept the punishment and move on IMO.

That's just what I think Cajun.

So an injustice is perpetrated simply for blood lust and we are suppose to accept just so people can get their "I hate child molesters more than the next guy" buttons on their lapel, right?

No, that doesn't fly.

The people who are at the top are PEOPLE. If they simply shot people at the school, would you be in favor of these punishments?

They have already been eviscerated publicly and they ARE going to stand trial. You punish the people who did the wrong thing. Not an entire group of people who are innocent.

This country has sunk to a level where it's more important to make a statement than to punish those who are really responsible.

[StanleySpadowski]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

Here is a fact.

THEY AGREED TO THE PUNISHMENT.

FACT!

They were told to sign the consent decree or face the death penalty. That's hardly agreeing to the punishment, especially when the NCAA ignored multiple of their own bylaws and bypassed the only entity that can officially issue sanctions, their committee of infractions.

Penn State's acting President, who had only been on the job for a short time, probably didn't have the authority to sign the consent decree but was given a sign now or else ultimatum and never went through the proper channels.

ESPN made this a football scandal when the true scandal happened at the Second Mile (in the interest of disclosure, I was formerly associated with TSM), Emmert thought the NCAA needed to respond and broke protocols and procedures to do so. He may have also broken the law according to some insiders in Harrisburg.

If Penn State's sanctions stand, what would stop the NCAA from placing a bowl ban on say Texas for the alleged sexual assault by players on the bowl trip? Could they just skip the MNC game and award Alabama the title due to an incident earlier in the year involving Notre Dame football players?

The NCAA is inept. Cam Newton's father openly pimped his son and they couldn't do a darn thing about it. They thought they had a chance to flex their muscles and did until a bigger, stronger bully in Corbett came along.

[Hoov]

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

I love how the political zone continually haunts his board despite being dead for how many years now?

Always brings a smile to my face. Good times.

I was just reading this thread and thinking the same thing. Although this is a very serious topic, it reminded me of some very entertaining debates in the PZ, especially between Brain and Cajun.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by Hoov

I was just reading this thread and thinking the same thing. Although this is a very serious topic, it reminded me of some very entertaining debates in the PZ, especially between Brain and Cajun.

And Brain and I never charged admission.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Pull your head out of your rear end. Just look at the facts and not act like the other witch hunters.

wanna talk about their head stuck up their rear end?

Look in the mirror

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

So an injustice is perpetrated simply for blood lust and we are suppose to accept just so people can get their "I hate child molesters more than the next guy" buttons on their lapel, right?

No, that doesn't fly.

The people who are at the top are PEOPLE. If they simply shot people at the school, would you be in favor of these punishments?

They have already been eviscerated publicly and they ARE going to stand trial. You punish the people who did the wrong thing. Not an entire group of people who are innocent.

This country has sunk to a level where it's more important to make a statement than to punish those who are really responsible.

The NCAA is, of course, going to throw Penn St. under the bus here. For all the reasons I have state earlier, the NCAA has very, very strong reasons why they want PSU to take the fall here. I am not questioning that but, it's also not the driving reason why PSU has to accept this. The thing that drove Penn St. Football was perception. They were perceived as the Gold Standard for a very long time in College Sports. Even in their decline in later years, they were still perceived as devoid of talent but well coached and intelligent. They were never perceived as cheaters or Child Molesters or what have you. They are now and because of that, you will never draw. You will not reach the heights you once did with recruiting and you will never regain that stature you once had. You must accept this and move on if you want to return to what you once were.

It's a separate issue all together. This Country is a forgiving one but only if you show remorse. Only if you accept the judgement of the people and pay for the crime, so to speak, in the eyes of the people. If you do that, they will forgive. If you do not, you are done. This is what I believe.

The very best thing Penn State could do right now is let this Governor do whatever it is he wants to do but simply accept the judgement and move on. Don't get involved with all of that. It's only going to keep the wounds open and Penn State will continue to bleed. What will eventually happen is that the NCAA will be brought into the mix, questions that have not been asked will be asked, evidence that has not been presented may come to light and the NCAA may get theirs in the end because of this. As for PSU, take it and move on. That's the only way you will regain the confidence of the masses.

[burmafrd]

Penn State homers will never admit it. THere are always excuses and blame someone else.

The University leadership covered for a pedophile.

The University has to suffer so as to make sure that it never happens again.

There was an attitude that has to be taken down.

Cajun is an example of the attitude that has to be changed.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by StanleySpadowski

They were told to sign the consent decree or face the death penalty. That's hardly agreeing to the punishment, especially when the NCAA ignored multiple of their own bylaws and bypassed the only entity that can officially issue sanctions, their committee of infractions.

Penn State's acting President, who had only been on the job for a short time, probably didn't have the authority to sign the consent decree but was given a sign now or else ultimatum and never went through the proper channels.

ESPN made this a football scandal when the true scandal happened at the Second Mile (in the interest of disclosure, I was formerly associated with TSM), Emmert thought the NCAA needed to respond and broke protocols and procedures to do so. He may have also broken the law according to some insiders in Harrisburg.

[View Full Quote]If Penn State's sanctions stand, what would stop the NCAA from placing a bowl ban on say Texas for the alleged sexual assault by players on the bowl trip? Could they just skip the MNC game and award Alabama the title due to an incident earlier in the year involving Notre Dame football players?

The NCAA is inept. Cam Newton's father openly pimped his son and they couldn't do a darn thing about it. They thought they had a chance to flex their muscles and did until a bigger, stronger bully in Corbett came along.

Hey hey hey! There is only one fact that gets any play around here. Don't you know that?

Other than Sandusky, Curley and Schultz need to go down and go down hard. But this continued falsity that the entire University is corrupt and must pay is lunacy.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

Penn State homers will never admit it. THere are always excuses and blame someone else.

The University leadership covered for a pedophile.

The University has to suffer so as to make sure that it never happens again.

There was an attitude that has to be taken down.

Cajun is an example of the attitude that has to be changed.

You are an example of someone who thinks they are a moral superior. You think the everyone at the University has to suffer for the misdeeds of a few. You sound very much like a lib who colors all conservatives as racist.

You don't have the very first clue what you are talking about.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

The NCAA is, of course, going to throw Penn St. under the bus here. For all the reasons I have state earlier, the NCAA has very, very strong reasons why they want PSU to take the fall here. I am not questioning that but, it's also not the driving reason why PSU has to accept this. The thing that drove Penn St. Football was perception. They were perceived as the Gold Standard for a very long time in College Sports. Even in their decline in later years, they were still perceived as devoid of talent but well coached and intelligent. They were never perceived as cheaters or Child Molesters or what have you. They are now and because of that, you will never draw. You will not reach the heights you once did with recruiting and you will never regain that stature you once had. You must accept this and move on if you want to return to what you once were.

[View Full Quote]It's a separate issue all together. This Country is a forgiving one but only if you show remorse. Only if you accept the judgement of the people and pay for the crime, so to speak, in the eyes of the people. If you do that, they will forgive. If you do not, you are done. This is what I believe.

The very best thing Penn State could do right now is let this Governor do whatever it is he wants to do but simply accept the judgement and move on. Don't get involved with all of that. It's only going to keep the wounds open and Penn State will continue to bleed. What will eventually happen is that the NCAA will be brought into the mix, questions that have not been asked will be asked, evidence that has not been presented may come to light and the NCAA may get theirs in the end because of this. As for PSU, take it and move on. That's the only way you will regain the confidence of the masses.

Well, if it means making innocent people suffer for what a few bad people did I guess I will have to not "accept it". I completely disagree that for the sake of the NCAA wanting to appear morally superior the innocent have to suffer. Screw the NCAA.

Punish those who did wrong and move on. The utter stupidity of punishing the masses for the sins of a few are counter to the way of life we have (or had) in this country.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

wanna talk about their head stuck up their rear end?

Look in the mirror

Nah, I just have to look at you and I see it.

[Sasquatch]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

Yep.

It's like that scene in Brokeback Mountain: "I just can't quit you."

So they remain in the closet and attempt to be coy about it (e.g. thread on Sheriff Joe), but us old PZers know the truth and can see behind their thinly veiled desire for a fix.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

It's like that scene in Brokeback Mountain: "I just can't quit you."

So they remain in the closet and attempt to be coy about it (e.g. thread on Sheriff Joe), but us old PZers know the truth and their need for a fix.

It's a love hate thing.

He hates to love me and loves to hate me.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Well, if it means making innocent people suffer for what a few bad people did I guess I will have to not "accept it". I completely disagree that for the sake of the NCAA wanting to appear morally superior the innocent have to suffer. Screw the NCAA.

You may disagree with it if you like. That is, of course, your prerogative. For the record, I never said that what the NCAA is doing was right. I said it didn't matter. I said the issue at hand for PSU was a question of public perception and in order to change that perception, you must accept the punishment.

Punish those who did wrong and move on. The utter stupidity of punishing the masses for the sins of a few are counter to the way of life we have (or had) in this country.

The University did do wrong. Perhaps not every individual associated with the University but then, those folks are not the people who are "The University". I don't think that only the University should be punished and I have made this very clear but I am also trying to be very clear on the point that yes, the University should also be punished. That means that the program has to suffer for it's part in this. I don't see any way around that.