Do You Agree With Drew About WR's?

[Redball Express]

Originally Posted by RS12

Hard to argue Drew's logic. I could take or leave Beasley. I would leave Tree. Miles costs too much for what you get.

What you said.

He was another player coming out of the 2007 season where the team looked like it was going to turn the corner only to slam headlong into the wall by over-evaluating their upside.

Marion Barber was another of those guys we over paid and paid the price on him as well. All of these guys were low draft picks or un-drafted players that we over paid and wrongfully elevated expectations and salary cap because of one good season.

I'll leave Romo's name off my list because that name obviously belongs on the list, too.

OOps..well, there you have it.

Him, too.



RedBall ExPreSS

[sbark]

Originally Posted by WPBCowboysFan

Maybe that is because Dez came around 180.

Everybody saw the potential. Now he's showed he can play up to it.

Drew has been pretty much on target about Dez when Ive heard him comment this year.

right, Drew was correct when he made the comments, he's more than happy Dez turned it around

[koolaid]

Originally Posted by sbark

right, Drew was correct when he made the comments, he's more than happy Dez turned it around

sorry but I can't just forget drew for ragging on dez with everyone else when it was popular a few months ago and acting like its all good now.
you either believe a guy can play or you don't. don't waffle when a player shows otherwise and act like you were never a hater, or at the very least least admit you were wrong.

Drew Pearson's first 2 seasons:
In 73 he had 22 catches for 388 and 2 TD
In 74 he had 62 catches for 1087 and 2 TD

Dez Bryant:
45 for 561 and 6 TD
63 for 928 and 9 TD

not that these stats matter, but all i'm saying is dez has never shown anything but effort and heart and his stats clearly didnt suck even with injuries. If drew wants to jump on the dez wagon its fine, but don't expect people to forget what he said.

edit: that all said i don't really have a problem with what drew said about our core for next season

[Gaede]

agree on Miles. I'm beginning to think the game is not important to him. I'd hate to create another hole though unless we could trade him

[Falcon554]

Originally Posted by koolaid

sorry but I can't just forget drew for ragging on dez with everyone else when it was popular a few months ago and acting like its all good now.
you either believe a guy can play or you don't. don't waffle when a player shows otherwise and act like you were never a hater, or at the very least least admit you were wrong.

Drew Pearson's first 2 seasons:
In 73 he had 22 catches for 388 and 2 TD
In 74 he had 62 catches for 1087 and 2 TD

Dez Bryant:
45 for 561 and 6 TD
63 for 928 and 9 TD

not that these stats matter, but all i'm saying is dez has never shown anything but effort and heart and his stats clearly didnt suck even with injuries. If drew wants to jump on the dez wagon its fine, but don't expect people to forget what he said.

edit: that all said i don't really have a problem with what drew said about our core for next season

You cant blame anyone for questioning Dez, the Dez we saw the first 6 games is so diffident then the Dez we seen those last 6 games. Its like you watched someone just get it. There were times where you watch him out there just wondering if he knew what he was even doing. Those last 6 games he looked like a pro bowler. Plus watching him play with that broken finger was great.

[birdwells1]

Originally Posted by koolaid

sorry but I can't just forget drew for ragging on dez with everyone else when it was popular a few months ago and acting like its all good now.
you either believe a guy can play or you don't. don't waffle when a player shows otherwise and act like you were never a hater, or at the very least least admit you were wrong.

Drew Pearson's first 2 seasons:
In 73 he had 22 catches for 388 and 2 TD
In 74 he had 62 catches for 1087 and 2 TD

Dez Bryant:
45 for 561 and 6 TD
63 for 928 and 9 TD

not that these stats matter, but all i'm saying is dez has never shown anything but effort and heart and his stats clearly didnt suck even with injuries. If drew wants to jump on the dez wagon its fine, but don't expect people to forget what he said.

edit: that all said i don't really have a problem with what drew said about our core for next season

Drew is just a "show me" type of guy and now that Dez has shown it on the field he's giving him his credit.

Some of you guys have me shaking my head, you act as though if you were ever critical of the team or a player for poor performance you then can't enjoy the fact that they turn it around.

Some people are more interested in being right than the betterment of the team, if Drew was like that then he would still hold on to his negative opinion about Dez.

[RW Hitman]

Originally Posted by dexternjack

Miles is still #2, but I agree they should part ways. Bring back Dez, Harris and Beasley, send the rest packing. Go out and sign a decent FA to play wide and let Harris start in the slot next season.

As for Miles, they just can't release him, but get the best offer for him.

Miles is not #2 and he has progressed more and more every year away from that #2 slot. I thought after that one maybe 2 years, he has been a disappointment and is way overpaid. It is about time we let him go and if someone offers us something for him great but with his current contract, I am not sure.

Yeah, I agree we keep Dez, Harris, and Beasley, but I would keep Coles to see what we have in him, after that everyone else gone

[RW Hitman]

Originally Posted by Falcon554

You cant blame anyone for questioning Dez, the Dez we saw the first 6 games is so diffident then the Dez we seen those last 6 games. Its like you watched someone just get it. There were times where you watch him out there just wondering if he knew what he was even doing. Those last 6 games he looked like a pro bowler. Plus watching him play with that broken finger was great.

[BAT]

Miles will be healthy next season and everyone will conveniently forget this thread. Harris needs to leap Ogletree on the depth chart however, that is clear.

If Cowboys re-sign Ogletree then I will have lost all faith in Garrett's ability to evaluate talent. Ogletree is a good kid but he's a dumb/lazy player. And we all know what Jimmy (and Belichick) said about dumb players.

[tyke1doe]

Originally Posted by koolaid

He did a 180 on Dez pretty fast once everyone saw the truth about his ability, huh?

I dont care for what he thinks

I don't think Drew ever knocked Dez's ability. It's Dez's head he criticized. It's Dez's inability to run the right routes, something not only Drew said but even Jerry Jones said.

Drew wasn't wrong. It's just that Dez has matured.

[tyke1doe]

Originally Posted by CowboyStar88

This guy plays through pain and doesn't need to rest 4 games because of a hang nail.

Originally Posted by superpunk

lol ok glad you can dismiss Miles' injuries so easily. I'm sure if your bias was reversed you'd be killing Dez for sitting out on the game's most critical plays with menstrual cramps.

You guys are

[tyke1doe]

Originally Posted by koolaid

sorry but I can't just forget drew for ragging on dez with everyone else when it was popular a few months ago and acting like its all good now.
you either believe a guy can play or you don't. don't waffle when a player shows otherwise and act like you were never a hater, or at the very least least admit you were wrong.

Drew Pearson's first 2 seasons:
In 73 he had 22 catches for 388 and 2 TD
In 74 he had 62 catches for 1087 and 2 TD

Dez Bryant:
45 for 561 and 6 TD
63 for 928 and 9 TD

not that these stats matter, but all i'm saying is dez has never shown anything but effort and heart and his stats clearly didnt suck even with injuries. If drew wants to jump on the dez wagon its fine, but don't expect people to forget what he said.

edit: that all said i don't really have a problem with what drew said about our core for next season

Drew was an undrafted free agent was he not? He wasn't considered to be a No. 1 receiver in his first year. He worked hard and became the Cowboys No. 1 receiver.

Meanwhile, Dez was a No. 1 pick. No. 1 picks don't have as much of a fight to make the roster and to get playing time.

Furthermore, Dez plays in a more pass-happy era than Drew did.

And Drew was paper thin as a receiver even in his day. He was hardly the specimen Dez is. And back when Drew played, receivers could be lit up going over the middle - hits that would draw flags, fines and suspensions in the current NFL.

[mgcowboy]

I think Garret mentioning Miles on the last PC regarding the 2nd interception pointing out that he is to blame partially on that one is an indication that he will be gone this off season....

[koolaid]

Originally Posted by tyke1doe

Drew was an undrafted free agent was he not? He wasn't considered to be a No. 1 receiver in his first year. He worked hard and became the Cowboys No. 1 receiver.

Meanwhile, Dez was a No. 1 pick. No. 1 picks don't have as much of a fight to make the roster and to get playing time.

Furthermore, Dez plays in a more pass-happy era than Drew did.

And Drew was paper thin as a receiver even in his day. He was hardly the specimen Dez is. And back when Drew played, receivers could be lit up going over the middle - hits that would draw flags, fines and suspensions in the current NFL.

thats a good point, I honestly didn't know he was undrafted. How many receivers come out of the draft and are dominant players within two years though?

AJ Green
Julio Jones
Calvin Johnson
are the 3 guys I can think of in the modern era, (and of course randy moss), but all of those guys were picked HIGHER in the draft than Dez (except maybe moss i think he was a twentysomething). Not to mention Dez missed his last year of college ball so we should have expected him to have some growing pains. I just wasn't big on drew basically calling dez a disgrace and a bust after 2 years in the NFL. His comments last summer came off to me as though he had something personal against dez, especially after those rumors dez turned down some sort of business proposal from him.
in the end it all worked out with Dez though so we should all just high five because the guy is going to be an all-pro for us.

[Nexx]

i love me some harris.... just not as the 2nd outside receiver, he just isnt fast or big enough to play the outside, and you have to be one of those. love him in the slot though. until you can find another legit #2 you have to keep miles around.